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Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by blooalien on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:36PM (#32371776)
> From the article: "Now, here, in 2022, desktop computers no longer exist and all computing is done via handheld mobile telephone."

They're kidding, right? Nobody in their right mind actually believes that, do they?

Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by fragmede on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:43PM (#32371833)
All is hyperbole, since the ergonomics on a laptop are terrible, and there will always be a segment for which that's a showstopper, but it's already true for certain segments of the population. Especially among the less privileged where there may not even be a desktop computer available or only at school/library, mobile phones are increasingly where work is done. Writing essays and emails, and filling out important forms, may not be the most ergonomic, but it beats not being able to.

Look at devices with foldable screens and external keyboards like the Asus Zenbook 17. Without getting lost in arguing semantics of if an iPad (mini/pro/regular) sized tablet counts as a mobile telephone, it's clearly not a desktop, and it's easy enough to imagine that desktop computers will go the way of the mainframe.

Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by lotu on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:48PM (#32371872)
I was stunned when I went to a writing circle and saw college students using their phones.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by krallja on Saturday August 06, 2022 @08:20PM (#32372770)
It would be reasonable if they had a Bluetooth keyboard.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by macintux on Saturday August 06, 2022 @09:12PM (#32372976)
I remember when young adults were blazing fast at typing on flip phones. It’s perfectly reasonable to be productive without a keyboard.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by seba_dos1 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @09:53PM (#32373183)
Flip phones had keyboards though.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by macintux on Sunday August 07, 2022 @12:06AM (#32373817)
My point is that people will adapt to typing on nearly anything.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by matheusmoreira on Sunday August 07, 2022 @07:26AM (#32375647)
> the ergonomics on a laptop are terrible

Agreed. Honestly if I had a way to comfortably write software on my phone I don't think I'd ever use my laptop ever again. Phones are simply too comfortable.

Unfortunately the vast majority of them are consumer devices: unlike real computers they don't come with the tools used to program them. I can't make a new app on my phone and run it.

Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by a9h74j on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:46PM (#32371855)
I took that as either [kidding] overstatement (to bypass discussion of why) or short for desktop computers no longer exist [for my market purposes].

To your general question, I've heard a professor lament a student stating that all CAD applications should work on phones.

Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by dagw on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:57AM (#32374477)
I've heard a professor lament a student stating that all CAD applications should work on phones.

And why is that such a lamentable idea? Modern phones have the processing power these days. Walking around a factory, building sites or a muddy field with a phone in your hand is a lot easier than walking around with a laptop. Plus modern phones have LiDAR and multiple cameras opening up for all kinds of interesting options. Frankly any CAD platform which doesn’t embrace mobile will probably fall out of favour over the next few years.

Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by a9h74j on Sunday August 07, 2022 @01:48PM (#32378220)
You are probably right to the extent of multimodal for some tasks or for sensor input. But redlining a 200 page set of drawings to capture as built info is still different from assembling that set of drawings in the first place. I doubt it will be all or nothing. E.g., supporting field service will require generating particular views, but I don't see engineering review meetings skimping on monitor pixels, at a cost of N laptops per hour just to assemble a meeting.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by dagw on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @03:59AM (#32395311)
Indeed, I'm not suggesting that CAD tools go mobile only or even mobile first, just there is a lot of very practical uses for mobiles (and tablets) in the CAD (and BIM) space that shouldn't be ignored.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by DizzyDoo on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:39PM (#32371804)
Of course, he just called it a "handheld mobile telephone", that's tongue-in-cheek.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by kergonath on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:01PM (#32372362)
In terms of number of hours used daily, there is no context. Mobiles are the largest video game market, and the most used computing platforms. So, not quite all computing, but an awful lot of it.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by kencausey on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:40PM (#32371812)
It's hyperbolic truth, acknowledging that the future is now.
Re:Cramming 'Papers, Please' onto Phones by the_af on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:17PM (#32372476)
Yes, it's tongue in cheek.