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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by ungamedplayer on Saturday August 06, 2022 @03:06AM (#32365712)
Citation for plenty needed.
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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by simonh on Saturday August 06, 2022 @04:40AM (#32366206)
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15295192.2020.1...

> Of the adult trans population, between 25% and 49% of individuals are believed to be parents (Dierckx, Motmans, Mortelmans, & T’sjoen, 2016)

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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by rpdillon on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:50AM (#32367260)
Parenthood doesn't imply fertility. From that link:

> Trans parents may form their families in a range of ways, including through biological parenthood, step-parenthood, adoption, fostering, and assisted reproduction, with an increasing number of options available to trans people wishing to become parents.

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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by simonh on Saturday August 06, 2022 @08:16AM (#32367424)
So what? Human societies have always and everywhere included multiple modes of parenthood. I don't understand this obsession with personal biological reproduction. That's not how human societies work. Adoption, fostering, etc are an important part of social sustainability and always have been.
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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by rpdillon on Saturday August 06, 2022 @11:38AM (#32369025)
The original assertion was about fertility:

> Trans hormones don’t necessarily cause permanent sterilization. Plenty of trans people have children

I was just pointing out that the evidence provided with the 25% number doesn't really speak to fertility, but rather all the possible ways of having children.

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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by ungamedplayer on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:00AM (#32366630)
That was much higher than I had expected.
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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by simonh on Saturday August 06, 2022 @08:17AM (#32367433)
Me too, but I suppose being trans doesn't eliminate all the other aspects of human behaviour and psychology, including the desire to have or care for children.
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Re:What ever happened to the transhumanists? by space_fountain on Saturday August 06, 2022 @01:42PM (#32370060)
I don’t think there is great science on this but here’s a paper focusing on tactics to preserve fertility https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626312/. It gives rates as high as 100% for mtf fertility (and as low as 25). And I may have missed it, but doesn’t seem to for trans men. Stories of trans men pausing hormones to have a kid are anecdotally pretty common though
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