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Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by klodolph on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:40PM (#32359344)
Long is 32 bits on x86, 64 bits on x86_64. x86 code bases broke because they made non-portable assumptions.
Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by kevin_thibedeau on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:25PM (#32359938)
No. It's 32-bits minimum. It can be anything larger. That's what the language says. Assuming otherwise is nonportable.
Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by klodolph on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:33PM (#32361661)
Why are you saying “no” and then agreeing with what I wrote? Am I misunderstanding something?
Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by kevin_thibedeau on Friday August 05, 2022 @05:40PM (#32362285)
Because it isn't "64-bits on x64". It's 32-bit minimum on all platforms. Assuming larger sizes than the minimum is how brittle code gets written. A compiler vendor can set the sizes to whatever they want regardless of the target architecture and claim conformance if they meet the minimum.
Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by klodolph on Friday August 05, 2022 @09:44PM (#32364019)
Talking about the SysV ABI. There are multiple standards involved, not just the language standard itself.

> A compiler vendor can set the sizes to whatever they want regardless of the target architecture and claim conformance if they meet the minimum.

Compilers claim conformance with other standards besides just the C standard.

Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by bjourne on Saturday August 06, 2022 @04:53AM (#32366286)
You are confusing ABIs with what the C standards mandate. A compiler emitting code for a particular architecture need to conform to that architecture's ABI. Or else it won't be able to interface with syscalls or other libraries. This goes for other things too like calling conventions and setup of stack frames. As klodolph states, long is 64 bit on x86_64, (32 on x86_64-win) and 32 on x86.
Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by TylerE on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:41PM (#32361744)
Because "32 bits or greater" != "exactly 32 bits"
Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by klodolph on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:56PM (#32361879)
Right. One is what the C standard says, and the other is what the ABI standard says. Maybe I’m missing something here.

Obviously, when someone says “type X is size Y on architecture Z”, they’re not talking about the C standard, they’re talking about some particular ABI.

Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by thayne on Saturday August 06, 2022 @12:46AM (#32364897)
> the other is what the ABI standard says

There are multiple ABIs for x86_64. I think the major compilers use 32 bits for int and 64 for long, but there could very well be a compiler that used different sizes, with a different ABI.

Re:C23 is finished: Here is what is on the menu by jcelerier on Saturday August 06, 2022 @03:15AM (#32365760)
Yep, the x32 ABI on Linux is based on the amd64 instruction set, registers, etc. but uses 32-bit long and pointers (which in my experience is a nice performance boost, I measured up to 20% in some cases)