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Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by Ro93 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:35AM (#32343463)
You sound like such a typical HN user it's hilarious . Not everything is so cynical. Apple has a history of putting users first. Do you really think they're going to jeopardize the likability of their own OS to the masses?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by slivanes on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:54AM (#32343707)
Putting users first by making un-serviceable laptops?

Putting users first by removing headphone jacks?

Putting users first by crippling competing web browsers on iOS?

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by tomjen3 on Friday August 05, 2022 @03:14AM (#32352769)
Everything is a tradeof. I replaced my thinkpad with an air because my thinkpad, while far more servicable, was far heavier.

Apple has traditionally removed things before other companies did (both the floppy and optical drive). This angers some people, which is understandable, but others don't mind and again, it is a trade of for a thinner laptop.

Removing the headphone jack is also a trade of: recent iPhones have survived extended stays in water, which is just not possible if there is a headphone jack.

Your preferences may be different, in which case their products aren't for you.

As for crippling competing web browsers on IOS, you can download chrome and firefox from their app store. They aren't crippled in any way except that they have to use the same browser engine apple uses. Which has two effects: random websites don't get to ask me if they want to send me notifications and it prevents Chrome from completely taking over the internet.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by threeseed on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:25PM (#32348487)
a) Laptops are serviceable and manuals/parts are available to self-repair them.

b) Headphone jacks are simply not useful for most people with the popularity of Bluetooth. And those that need them can use Apple's class leading USB DAC dongles.

c) Web browsers are such a significant security vector that I am fully in favour of heavily sandboxing them and restricting what they can do. I like my web sites to be different from my apps.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:30PM (#32349625)
You realize that most high end phones have removed head phone jacks? What next? Complaining about Apple removing SCSI ports?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by vogon_laureate on Friday August 05, 2022 @05:48AM (#32353800)
RIP SCSI and FireWire.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by judge2020 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:14PM (#32351117)
> Putting users first by crippling competing web browsers on iOS?

I can happily re-enable the privacy-destroying qualities of web browsing by using Chrome on iOS, thank you very much.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by figmaheart255 on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:02AM (#32351924)
it's still crippled though. Try playing webm videos, like here https://www.base-n.de/webm/VP9%20Sample.html

They won't play because all browsers on iOS use webkit, and webkit doesn't support WebM. Whereas chrome and firefox on android both support it.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by tomjen3 on Friday August 05, 2022 @03:15AM (#32352774)
They aren't crippled any more than the native browser.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by whywhywhywhy on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:47AM (#32344458)
They're already doing things that Mac OS users from lets say the era of Jaguar would find utterly tasteless.

I use iTunes match for my music but for 6 months last year once a month opening their music app it would force me to dismiss an Apple Music trail before I could play MY files.

App Store already has a pile of ads and paid placements before you get to the exact name match.

End of the day they don't have a product visionary at the helm they have a bean counter.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by anonymousab on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:56AM (#32343749)
MacOS already bugs me about using Safari and other apps with periodic notification banners that cannot be disabled.

Oh, you can disable that crap for non apple apps. But Apple doesn't let you do it for theirs.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by MobiusHorizons on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:50AM (#32343649)
Apple has a history of making choices that jeopardize the likability of their platforms with the masses (eg headphone jack, removing Touch ID) They also have a history of getting away with it.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by threeseed on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:27PM (#32348516)
> jeopardize the likability of their platforms with the masses

You don't represent the opinions of the masses.

The fact that Apple iPhone sales continue unabated factually and objectively indicates that Headphone jacks and TouchID are not significant issues to warrant customers switching platforms.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by askafriend on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:00PM (#32349392)
Everyone I know primarily use wireless headphones and love FaceID. If they don't have wireless headphones, they just pop the little adapter onto the end and go on with their day.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:31PM (#32349633)
So they removed features that “jeopardized likeability” yet they keep selling more every year? How is that possible?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by MobiusHorizons on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:38AM (#32357697)
What I mean by jeopardize is that these changes taken on their own would be seen as bad by many consumers, it is only because apple also provides an alternative (however expensive) that they end up getting away with it in public opinion (and sales).
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:56AM (#32366930)
You really think that most people prefer wired headphones than wireless? How many Android users - mostly on low end phones since high end Android phones also don’t have headphone jacks - actually prefer wired headphones?

You also act as if iPhones only work with AirPods and not any cheap Bluetooth headset you can pick up from anywhere.

Even Apple sells low end Beats Flex headphones for $50 that have the W1 chip with the special Apple sauce.

I have a pair for traveling that I don’t have to worry about falling out.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by lmm on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:34PM (#32350869)
They aren't, they're making more revenue because they're jacking up the prices on a smaller number of sales.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:23AM (#32353217)
So people are willing to pay more for phones they don’t like? Even if that is true?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by lmm on Friday August 05, 2022 @05:50AM (#32353825)
They're becoming even more of a luxury fashion brand. Enough people are willing to pay the higher prices that they come out ahead, but that's not about being "likable".
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Friday August 05, 2022 @06:01AM (#32353914)
Apple also isn’t losing market share. Do you really think the majority of people are clamoring for wired headphones in 2022?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by lmm on Friday August 05, 2022 @05:22PM (#32362122)
> Do you really think the majority of people are clamoring for wired headphones in 2022?

Yes, I do.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:59AM (#32366944)
Where are these people in the US? They aren’t the 60%+ who are buying iPhones. They also aren’t the ones who are buying the Google Pixel, or high end Samsung Galaxies.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by lmm on Sunday August 07, 2022 @06:36PM (#32380618)
Or they're buying them and putting up with the headphone situation.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by postalrat on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:25PM (#32344986)
Users first but users can't use a web browser that might (but unlikely) compete with their app revenue?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by scarface74 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:33PM (#32349641)
So if Apple’s forcing users to use WebKit is keeping great PWAs at bay, where are all of the great web apps for Android?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by postalrat on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:08AM (#32351502)
I pretty much only use web apps.