Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by kingkawn on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:06AM
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There is no way that aerodynamics account for 50% of energy use when doing long haul trucking and moving tens of tons of stuff.
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Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by londons_explore on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:24AM
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Assuming your truck does 60 mph, it appears it does[1]. 80Hp for rolling resistance, electrical and all other losses, 120Hp for aerodynamic drag.
Of that, cars modified to be super efficient (eg. [2]) can get the Cd down to about half (from about 0.31 to 0.17). Trucks could probably achieve an even greater improvement, because production cars already have a slanted windscreen and rear trunk.
So, overall, I stand by my claim that energy use of trucking could be reduced by about half with aerodynamic techniques.
[1]: https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/AERO_RR... (figure 2)
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by jjk166 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:22AM
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If you cut half the air resistance and air resistance is 120 out of 200 hp, that's only a 30% total reduction.
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by lm28469 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:02PM
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halving aero drag != halving fuel consumption at the speed EU trucks are limited (55mph): https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Figure-11-Fuel-Economy-w...
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by rr888 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @04:17PM
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Trucks in Europe are not allowed to travel 60mph.
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by bombcar on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:41PM
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True, they have to do kilometers per hour over there.
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by scratcheee on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:07AM
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You're right because internal combustion engines are so inefficient that more than 50% of energy is wasted before it can even contribute anything. But in terms of useful energy leaving the engine it's a different question.
Once you get to long-haul speeds, the energy cost is almost entirely split between air resistance and rolling resistance, but air resistance has the edge, (about 50%), rolling (30%), drivetrain (5%), and everything else (10%).
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by lallysingh on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:58PM
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After you've accelerated the truck to highway speed, the weight only matters due to friction. The friction and aero costs are large enough that the acceleration cost doesn't dominate.
Re:Hyundai rolls out 27 heavy-duty hydrogen trucks in Germany
by jacquesm on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:48PM
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All these assume flat terrain. As soon as you start adding hills things look completely different. That's the one reason why I think e-trucks make sense, the ease of regeneration rather than burning off the momentum as heat.