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Re:Alpine Linux is reducing dependencies on Busybox by raverbashing on Thursday August 04, 2022 @03:15AM (#32340117)
None of those things are actually needed in a container.

If you're actually doing those things inside one, you're literally doing it wrong

Yes you might have some special cases where some of this is needed but I'd use anything besides systemd

Re:Alpine Linux is reducing dependencies on Busybox by btbuilder on Thursday August 04, 2022 @03:30AM (#32340197)
Some use-cases do require an init-providing process of some sort but you likely want to use tini.

See for more details: https://github.com/krallin/tini/issues/8#issuecomment-146135...

Re:Alpine Linux is reducing dependencies on Busybox by otabdeveloper4 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:43AM (#32341321)
a) Starting all your services and shims and mocks inside a CI/CD tests container is not "doing it wrong"; in fact, it's the only correct way to do it.

b) systemd is the only thing that can start services cleanly and correctly. Every other solution is in various states of brokenness.

Re:Alpine Linux is reducing dependencies on Busybox by megous on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:00AM (#32340730)
All of the cheap Linux container hosting services are doing it wrong, I guess.
Re:Alpine Linux is reducing dependencies on Busybox by nine_k on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:53AM (#32341365)
Many of them offer k8s out of the box.

I still think that orchestration should live outside containers, whether within one box or several. BTW systemd has some vestiges of container orchestration built in.

OTOH there are other approaches; say, LXD directly assumes an ecosystem of processes within a container, more akin to a VM than to a single chroot-ed / jailed service process.

Re:Alpine Linux is reducing dependencies on Busybox by megous on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:58PM (#32345411)
> OTOH there are other approaches; say, LXD directly assumes an ecosystem of processes within a container, more akin to a VM than to a single chroot-ed / jailed service process.

Those are what I had in mind. Basically cheaper VPS like service but built on Linux container tech instead of full virtualization. Maybe they are less of a rage these days, when fully virtualized KVM/Vmware VPS are so cheap. But about 5 years ago I did run my email server, webserver and database on such a container for $1-1.5$/mo. When I was able to switch to full virtualization at similar price point, I did. But there's nothing weird about runing multiple different processes in a "container" :)