Yes, the U.S. economy is likely in recession

Re:Yes, the U.S. economy is likely in recession by ModernMech on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:46PM (#32337744)

I think there's a big difference between grumbling about the results of an election being unfair due to your opponent engaging with a foreign government that hacked your campaign, and unprecedented moves from the FBI days before the election; and working earnestly to actually overturn the results of an election by knowingly lying about the existence of fraud, using multiple levers of government including DOJ and state legislatures to advance that lie, and to top it all off directing an armed mob to literally violently assault a joint session of Congress. If you call both of these things "election denial" that's the false equivalence others were referencing elsewhere in the conversation.

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Re:Yes, the U.S. economy is likely in recession by throwaway894345 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @10:34PM (#32338688)

They are both election denial, and it’s not a false equivalence because recognizing that both are under the rubric of “election denial” doesn’t imply an equivalence.

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Re:Yes, the U.S. economy is likely in recession by ModernMech on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:15AM (#32342448)

When you compare two things that are significantly different in scale and scope without recognizing or addressing those important differences, yet proceed to call them the same without any qualification regardless, that’s exactly a false equivalence.

Let me be clear about what the difference is: the way that Democrats and Clinton behaved in 2016 was legal and constitutionally within their rights. The way Republicans and Trump behaved in 2020 was not only illegal, it was seditious bordering on treasonous. Putting those two reactions into the same bucket in any capacity is an act of historical whitewashing and indeed, false equivalence.

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Re:Yes, the U.S. economy is likely in recession by throwaway894345 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:49PM (#32350979)

I wasn’t the one who made the original comparison bruv, and I have only been explicit about saying I thought Trump’s behavior was worse. I very clearly made no equivalences whatsoever.

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Re:Yes, the U.S. economy is likely in recession by ModernMech on Friday August 05, 2022 @07:37AM (#32354678)

> there is no room for disagreement that neither party accepts election results.

Seems to me like you’re very clearly making an equivalence right there.

One party responded within the bounds of the law and exercised their rights, whereas the other broke the law and tried to overthrow democracy, yet you equate these two responses as “not accepting results”. This is very clearly a false equivalence. If these two responses are equivalent in your mind under the umbrella of election denial, it would seem to mean that no American has ever accepted an election, because one side is always sore about the outcome. You’ve effectively rendered the term election denial meaningless (which is the reason false equivalence is a logical fallacy), so what exactly is your point then?

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