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Re:Emacs Timeline by Barrin92 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:53PM (#32336543)
Yes. I started programming in ~ca 2010 when I went to uni and we mostly programmed in Java with Netbeans, so using Emacs wasn't exactly natural for me. The worst thing is the keybindings which don't conform remotely to anything modern.

I think the biggest issue is that people are simply intimidated by learning Emacs from the bottom up themselves. It has an incredibly extensive tutorial baked in. It's almost completely self-referential which distinguishes it from most stuff people engage with today. And that's the crucial part I think because if you start copying other people's configs around or just ask stackoverflow I think you're not going to have a good time. Emacs for me was the first complex thing where I basically could have turned the internet off and just look at it myself.

I honestly credit Emacs with no less than curing me of a weird learned helplessness I got from my awful education that threw tools at me where I had no hope of understanding what they do.

Re:Emacs Timeline by digdugdirk on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:11PM (#32336699)
Interesting perspective. What were you doing during the initial semi-helpless "why-does-this-hurt-so-much" phase of your emacs journey?

I find that people who take a slower long-term approach tend to be the ones that have a good experience. The moment someone really "needs" to get something done with emacs is usually when they shelve it for something more intuitive or more powerful out of the box.

Re:Emacs Timeline by Barrin92 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:02AM (#32339232)
>What were you doing during the initial semi-helpless "why-does-this-hurt-so-much" phase of your emacs journey?

I just looked at it as something to have fun with honestly. When I got stuck with something I just put it down for another time and I kept in mind that it's going to take a long time. And because I intentionally avoided copying things I didn't understand there honestly weren't that many moments of being super clueless. Also reminding myself that it was basically twice as old as I was at the time helped because you just can't expect to grok it immediately.

Re:Emacs Timeline by anyfoo on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:23PM (#32337974)
"More powerful"?
Re:Emacs Timeline by sceadu on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:58PM (#32338191)
out of the box...

(also power is useless if you can't wield it and I would argue given the learning curve of emacs that very few people if any wield anything close to its full power out of the box)