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Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by tialaramex on Thursday July 28, 2022 @04:53PM (#32269966)
In what way is this not "Due process" ?

The presumption of innocence does not mean you're entitled to obstruct investigators. "But you haven't proved that I'm guilty" also doesn't work to stop detectives entering your home with a search warrant.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by Phrodo_00 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:18PM (#32270239)
From OPs explaination, if you won't explain how you got the money it'll be forfeited. That's the opposite of presumption of innocence.

I'm ok with having large amounts of cash with no obvious legitimate source triggering an investigation, but that's not what's happening.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:02PM (#32271555)
If you target the very wealthy, it's a very tiny burden to make them do paperwork to explain the origin of their money. In a situation like that, you can achieve due process without presumption of innocence.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by Phrodo_00 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:23PM (#32271667)
This can be used for values over £50000, though.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:57PM (#32271893)
That's probably not a great threshold, but for now I'm more worried about where it has been used than where it could theoretically be used.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by brewdad on Thursday July 28, 2022 @06:13PM (#32270699)
The UK doesn't have a 5th Amendment.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by Phrodo_00 on Friday July 29, 2022 @08:20PM (#32283152)
Yeah, because they don't really have an actual consolidated constitution, but the presumption of innocence is one of the principles of English Common Law (see Woolmington v DPP), as well as being one of the rights in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

They just sneak past it by not actually sentencing you of a crime.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by int_19h on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @06:23PM (#32325026)
UK has parliamentary sovereignty, so any presumed common law right only exists until the Parliament passes a bill that effectively nullifies it.