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Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by bushbaba on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:30PM (#32266597)
Falling demand of non-necessities. People aren't buying "TVs". Which as you call out, is a stupidly strong recessionary signal.
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by InefficientRed on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:33PM (#32266640)
Or, damn near every household bought a new TV during the pandemic lockdowns using their stimulus checks and now no one needs a new TV.

I think Walmart's story in particular is one of stupidly bad demand forecasting.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by njcgbc on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:02PM (#32267098)
Fast food is reporting the same thing, McDonald's put out a report a few days ago, Yum! Brands is yet to report results for the quarter but similar results are expected. Target had a similar report to Walmart.

It is mostly discretionary spending that is down; Wal-Mart reported the largest fall in apparel iirc, but demand is demand. One would expect discretionary spending to fall first, and hopefully it stops there.

Again I apologize for not providing a direct citation due to my dumb mobile browser but these are days-old news stories and it should be easy to confirm

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by rustybelt on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:58PM (#32267967)
I know I've cut back on fast food because both product and service quality have declined dramatically, likely due to staffing shortages. Long wait times, cold food, and incorrect orders have pushed me to the point of staying away. It's a weird time, and it's hard to untangle all these additional factors. That said, I'm sure higher prices are having an impact as well.
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by InefficientRed on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:29PM (#32268382)
Fast food is pricing itself out of the market. I think it's a great example of a sector that failed to innovate and is now incapable of providing a product worth buying at prices that are profitable.

McDonalds et al. probably should've been investing a lot more in automating their kitchens. The fact that a huge percent of locations -- and all drive-thrus -- still use humans for the ordering process is, similarly, inexcusable.

Unless the US massively increases its low-skilled immigration quotes, robotics firms will be the FAANG equivalents of the 2020s-2030s.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by whatshisface on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:39PM (#32268487)
If McDonalds can't afford to pay a living wage at the local cost of living, nobody will immigrate to work for them.
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by InefficientRed on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:04PM (#32268791)
You can fit 3 generations in a single family home in an American suburb of a mid-sized city, and half the world's population would either (a) consider that a QoL improvement or at least (b) put up with it for a while to remit back home.

For all the doom and gloom in the USA, it's still an incredibly rich country.

To be clear: I'm not making a moral statement here. This is a statement of fact, not a statement of ethical preference.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by whatshisface on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:16PM (#32268928)
Can three people working at McDonalds own a single family home in an American suburb?
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by InefficientRed on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:59PM (#32269395)
Someone working low-paid hourly wage work can probably make $20K. A few siblings + their parents = 5 people = $100K. Stagger availability schedules so there's always someone home with the kids, and share vehicles.

Suburb of top-tier cities? No. Cheapest suburb of a midwestern city? Absolutely.

Again, not saying it's reasonable. Just that it's possible.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by whatshisface on Thursday July 28, 2022 @04:07PM (#32269477)
So you argument essentially is that economic conditions dictate that within a few decade, there will be no restaurants in major cities.
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by shagie on Thursday July 28, 2022 @06:00PM (#32270590)
Commuting. It is possible to commute to the low wages places within major cities while living in less expensive areas. This may be difficult if public transportation makes that too expensive and a losing prospect.

Total household income. It is possible to accept a lower wage job if the rest of the family is making more. A spouse or older child can add to the family budget even if the primary breadwinner is making more.

Grants / subsidized housing of some sort. College students making a few extra dollars while living in the dorms where the major expenses are paid elsewhere.

Back to the older children and summer jobs. Getting a job to do something over the summer and get a bit of spending money of their own.

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Yes, lower paying jobs within higher cost of living areas are going to be having trouble finding people to work there. This has been a thing for many years. Even in the before times, there were constantly places that had "help wanted" signs out and were paying minimum wage. The ones in higher cost areas of the city were more likely to close resulting in more expensive restraints that can be supported by the people who are living the higher cost of living.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by InefficientRed on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:11PM (#32271977)
> economic conditions dictate that within a few decade, there will be no restaurants in major cities.

No. Restaurants will continue to exist. Sit down in particular. In cases where you are paying for an experience; the economics will get worse, but they will continue to exist.

Fast food restaurants will even continue to exist. But the latter only with substantial automation. This has already happened at the front of the house -- kiosks and apps are the "happy path" ordering interfaces at every McD's in a major city. I'm merely projecting that the most cost-sensitive segment of the food services industry will push that automation into the kitchen, the checkout line, and a lot of the administrative work that happens at branches.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by maxerickson on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:21PM (#32271652)
Houses in towns big enough for a McDonald's are $100,000.

Not suburbs, just towns, but there will be services and a hospital and so on.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by roflyear on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:55PM (#32269356)
Three families can....
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by kube-system on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:50PM (#32266914)
Not across the board. Demand for consumer discretionary spending outside of the home is up. People are tired of sitting at home. They don’t want to buy a TV and binge Netflix. They did that for 2 years. They’re going out to eat, going on vacation. Trying to get on a flight.
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by babypuncher on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:34PM (#32267653)
But demand for services and "experiences" is way up.

I think it's unrealistic to expect retail goods to maintain the same highs they had during the pandemic. For a big chunk of the last two years, people couldn't go to concerts, bars and restaurants operated at limited capacity, vacation destinations had travel restrictions in place, etc. This lead people to take the discretionary income they would normally spend on those things and put it into retail goods that improve their lives stuck at home. TVs, game consoles, what have you. Now that restrictions are essentially nonexistent in the US, people are returning to those pre-COVID activities.

Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by pclmulqdq on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:55PM (#32268674)
The evidence does not suggest that demand for services and experiences is up. Demand for durable goods spiked when COVID checks went out, then returned to parity with demand for services and non-durable goods. According to the fed, both of those have dropped over the last two years.
Re:US Gross Domestic Product, Second Quarter 2022 (Advance E... by cma on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:38PM (#32266716)
But people bought more TVs than normal during the pandemic, so it may also be part 'satiation' signal.