Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by Trasmatta on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:54AM
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> And his absence from the films was remarked upon, negatively in my circles.
Yeah, same. On Tolkien forums in the early to mid 2000's, I think these were the most commented on complaints about the movies:
* No Tom Bombadil
* No Scouring of the Shire
* Movie Faramir vs book Faramir
* The Ents deciding to not help Merry and Pippin at first (tbh, this is the one that still gets me the most. It sort of ruined a key attribute of the Ents just for a tiny bit of extra tension for a short scene.)
I'm probably missing some, but those were the ones I remember coming up the most.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by teddyh on Thursday July 28, 2022 @11:17AM
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Don’t forget the how the entire character of Gimli the dwarf was replaced with some sort of clown.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by PeterCorless on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:28PM
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They lost me at dwarf tossing.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by teddyh on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:43PM
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The axe to the ring was bad enough, but when the character later explicitly suggested that they go through Moria, ranting about food and beer, that’s when I knew we had gotten a clown on our hands. By the time the tossing was discussed, I was thoroughly disillusioned about the character, and expected no better.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by JKCalhoun on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:48PM
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With that one line of dialog I was snatched out of this carefully crafted fantasy world and pulled back to our (rather sad) present.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by philbarr on Thursday July 28, 2022 @11:33AM
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No Saruman vs Gandalf rematch in the original films. It was included in the director's cut but then you could see why they left it out.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by ncphil on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:02PM
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Witch King vs Gandalf in the movie distorted a key point about the wizards: they were tasked to assist humans and elves against evil, but not to use their power to defeat the enemy on their own, or to rule over Middle Earth. Saruman tried do do both, and lost eternity for it. Peter Jackson understood that, but chose for theatrical reasons to sweep it aside, just as he did the enigma of the Old Forest and the (in Tolkien's own words) "most important chapter in the book" on the Scouring of the Shire (the author compared it to "the situation in [Britain] after the war").
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by ghaff on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:19PM
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Well, in literary fandom generally, anything other than faithful transcription from page to screen often generates outrage.
Re:Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadi...
by ncmncm on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:21PM
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I was mainly irritated that the ents had knees.
That the whole Sauron business was a local and temporary nuisance seems central to the roles of Tom B and the ents. The ents' complaint was, in the end, only with Saruman.
And his absence from the films was remarked upon, negatively in my circles.