I think it does. As much as companies want to believe that product runs the product, an engineer that can create new things that influences the product is massively more valuable. Amazon commonly has engineers drive new innovations, product people nowhere to be seen

There are without a doubt a sea of creative people at Meta, the question is whether the organizational structure disincentivizes creative collaboration with engineering.

I've worked for Apple and Product Management absolutely runs the product.

Engineers of course have entry points into this process but ultimately they aren't responsible for the overall process of what, how and when things get build.

You act like you know better than all of these companies so maybe you can try building a multi-billion business with just engineers. Good luck with that.

TBH this not scientific at all but judging from my linkedin feed the worst 'product people' I've worked with have ended up at facebook/meta, amazon and google -- apple and a bunch of smaller companies ended up with the best

it's a mixed bag when it comes to engineers though, most of my highest performing coworkers are pretty evenly distributed between the batch with the exception of amazon which seems like a catch-all