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Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by LorenPechtel on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @01:54PM (#32253937)
To me, a Nest or Ring is pointed at a basically public space. So what if the cops can look at the feed?
Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by jjav on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @11:17PM (#32260114)
> To me, a Nest or Ring is pointed at a basically public space. So what if the cops can look at the feed?

Perpetual and pervasive surveillance completely changes the human expectation of public spaces.

For most of human history, even the most public of spaces was effectively mostly private most of the time. A few decades back you could be in, say, Times Square between thousands of people and yet your actions and presence was completely private. Because unless you did something particularly attention-grabbing, nobody would notice or much less remember. Even if you did do something that people took notice, few of them would really remember you individually a day later (let alone years later). If the cops wanted to interview people about your presence they'd have to find those few that noticed and remembered you, nearly impossible. Thus even public spaces were for most practical purposes private space, and that is the expectation human minds has.

You might say even decades back they could assign people to watch you. And they did. But only for select people so there had to be some cause and selectivity (sometimes unjust, but still). It was literally impossible to watch everyone everywhere all the time.

That's what changes now. It is possible to track everyone everywhere all the time. And not just at the moment, but recorded for posterity for future ML queries.

Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by fknorangesite on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @02:51PM (#32254874)
Because I don't want to live in a surveillance dystopia where the state - or Google or Amazon - has a camera on the outside of every house.
Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by Dylan16807 on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @05:26PM (#32257224)
It's bad for public spaces to be pervasively tracked.
Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by MichaelZuo on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @05:36PM (#32257338)
Is there an internally consistent reason for why that's bad?

Because every argument I've seen along those lines fall apart after drilling down a few layers.

Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by oigursh on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @06:47PM (#32258064)
There's a video of a panel with Moxie Marlinspike who says something along the lines that there is value in being able to break the law. It's how society evolves. Complete surveillance means no broken laws, means a relatively static society.
Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by hnick on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:50AM (#32261541)
This was also mentioned as a theme in passing in a sci-fi book I read. One of the trends across civilisations was that some would become total surveillance states, and they always failed because they stopped progressing at that point.
Re:Google’s Nest will provide data to police without a warrant by Dylan16807 on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @07:31PM (#32258469)
99% of what I do in public should be immediately forgotten or only available by interviewing the specific people that were there, while they still remember. It shouldn't be possible to passively profile me and everyone else by putting cameras all over.