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Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by spaceman_2020 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @03:54AM (#32235536)
The older protocols that were built in the depth of 2018-19 bear markets will survive. Many of them are also doing wonderfully well in terms of revenue. COMP, MKR, AAVE, CRV all make a ton in revenue and have a well-defined product-market fit.

Crypto projects are tough to value. Their sheer global scale means that they can ramp up revenue and even profits extremely fast. StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120M in profit in its first year of operation. That might not be sustainable, but what business wouldn't give an arm and a leg to make $120M profits in just one year of operation?

Imo, crypto projects should be valued on 2-3x multiples at max.

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by pavlov on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @04:40AM (#32235814)
> “StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120M in profit in its first year of operation. That might not be sustainable, but what business wouldn't give an arm and a leg to make $120M profits in just one year of operation?”

Shady securities in the past offered that kind of short-term unsustainable returns too. That’s why it was heavily regulated. This iteration of the same concept should be as well. It’s good news that SEC is now inspecting all of Coinbase’s listings as potential security offerings — better late than never.

Nobody wants to use these move-to-earn, play-to-earn and whatever-else token flywheels if there isn’t a market attached where you can dump the tokens. And those markets aren’t attractive unless the tokens are essentially securities.

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by Geee on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:56AM (#32238314)
Ethereum is a casino, DeFi provides financing for players, and all other crypto tokens are games in the casino. It's all dependant on degenerate players gambling on these ponzi tokens. There's no other purpose for Ethereum or DeFi.
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by threeseed on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @06:18AM (#32236421)
> StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120M in profit in its first year of operation

Not bad. But nothing compared to the $1T in threeseed dollars I earned last year.

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by thedrbrian on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @03:50PM (#32243063)
What's the ratio of threeseed dollars to TheDrBrian nickels?
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by burkaman on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:49AM (#32238225)
> StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120M in profit in its first year of operation.

Did they actually, or did they make a bunch of Solana, which is now worth about 20% of what it was when they launched?

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by arcticbull on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @05:10AM (#32235982)
> That might not be sustainable, but what business wouldn't give an arm and a leg to make $120M profits in just one year of operation?

$120M in profit-profit? Or $120M in revenues dumping tokens on retail booked as profit?

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by spaceman_2020 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @06:49AM (#32236575)
I don’t know the exact breakdown but the bulk of it was apparently in-game items.
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by lalaland1125 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:53AM (#32239145)
> StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120M in profit in its first year of operation

StepN is literally a classic ponzi scheme. You buy in by paying out earlier investors in the hope that a greater fool will in turn buy you out.

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by stiltzkin on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:58AM (#32239246)
I do use StepN and should be noted that the $120 million was from the first quarter and the project has less than a year online. But that quarter GST and the sneakers were at ATH before the crash and people "invested" more than $1K for a pair of sneakers, earning were $30 dollars a day with a single common shoe and you could reach your ROI in 30 days. The numbers are different now as GST has crashed 98% and people who invested a lot in the first quarter have their ROI in years.

The FitnessFi space has so much potential but StepN has new competition in the space which they are already starting with better ponzinomics and in web3 projects are community driven and StepN community will ape to the next one.

Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by spaceman_2020 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:26AM (#32239648)
The problem with any -Fi project (GameFi, FitFi, etc.) is always that the tokeonomics get derailed by speculators. In-game economics become unsustainable when outside investors who have no real interest in the game itself start pouring in money. Suddenly prices that might have made for a sustainable year long run become too expensive, pricing out real users.
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by stiltzkin on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @12:35PM (#32240538)
The way I see it "Move To Earn" is a new web3 business model StepN gets the credit. It is an Australian star-up who has earn $120 million in the first quarter and pivoted their tokenomics each month. The shoes of StepN as company have not been easy to fill in by the team.
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by nradov on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @12:40PM (#32240612)
This is bullshit. There is no sustainable revenue model for "move to earn". Ultimately who would pay for it when the investment capital runs out?
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by stiltzkin on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @12:46PM (#32240691)
Who are we to say there is nor sustainable way?, but in the case of StepN they have been using a ponzinomic way to run it.
Re:Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment... by pfraze on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:49AM (#32239927)
StepN sounds like a ponzi scheme with extra steps.