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Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Monday July 25, 2022 @11:14AM (#32225516)
What about Israel? The tech scene is amazing, the weather is great and the taxes are lower than in Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Israel). Unless if you don't have Jewish roots, it can be hard to get a VISA.

For quality of life, I would like to suggest Italy, but the salary are terrible low and the taxes are high. Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by jaclaz on Monday July 25, 2022 @02:17PM (#32228608)
>Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex.

Immigration from Germany?

Both Italy and Germany are countries in the EU, hadn't you noticed.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by grumpitron on Monday July 25, 2022 @07:38PM (#32232409)
I believe you need Italian ancestry to become an Italian citizen. It's a piece of immigration and not the whole pie, but could've been the intention.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @02:39AM (#32235118)
If you are an EU citizen, you can live in Italy without any kind of visa. And also the requirements to get italian citizenship are shorter.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by jaclaz on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @07:10AM (#32236741)
As a matter of fact there is no need whatever to get italian (or any other EU country) citizenship, if you are a citizen of any country in the EU you only need to register to the local authority as resident (after 3 months of staying).

If you really want the italian citizenship, you can ask for it after 4 years of (registered) residency in Italy.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Monday July 25, 2022 @03:29PM (#32229741)
Fratelli d'Italia (the party that is going to win the election and lead the next government) propose in his program to exit from EU, even if not explictly.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by jaclaz on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @07:05AM (#32236714)
Ah, well, then they will propose it covertly?

Like - say - let's remain in the EU for the moment, but let's deprive non-italain EU citizens of their fundamental right to establish their residence in Italy (or in any other EU country).

https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-r...

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:43AM (#32239841)
Look here: https://www.fratelli-italia.it/programma.pdf at point 2:

> Ridiscussione di tutti i trattati UE a partire dal fiscal compact e dall’euro.

This seems clear to me, it's just a nice way to say: we would like to exit from UE and Euro.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by bartminton on Monday July 25, 2022 @02:55PM (#32229245)
We don't have jewish roots. So not only visa would be quite problematic.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by pastacacioepepe on Monday July 25, 2022 @03:05PM (#32229392)
> Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex.

That's not a concern considering OP is European, he can move wherever he wants inside the union.

If the right wing wins the elections they will (probably) tighten rules for poverty immigration from outside Europe.

> the salary are terrible low and the taxes are high.

That's true, but if you can find a well paying remote job and a nice place to live you'll have a good life in Italy. Just don't rely on the state and you'll be fine.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Monday July 25, 2022 @03:30PM (#32229747)
> That's not a concern considering OP is European, he can move wherever he wants inside the union.

What's happened if an Italexit will happens?

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by pastacacioepepe on Monday July 25, 2022 @06:31PM (#32231803)
If you know Italian politics, you know it won't happen. None of the future candidates has the standing to pull something like this off, without considering that - outside Europe - Italy has nowhere else to go at the moment. Even the popular sentiment is not there as we're already past our no-EU years and even then it was an empty electoral promise.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @02:44AM (#32235146)
I am italian :) Do you remember the very first phase of yellow-green government? They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by pastacacioepepe on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @04:51AM (#32235867)
> They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it.

That "crazy old man" (Paolo Savona) is an economist, academic, previously minister for the economy and he is now the CONSOB president, so trust me he is not crazy, he has a better CV than both of us combined, it's just that you disagree and your view of him is overly simplistic. Furthermore I don't see what right the reactionary Mattarella had to veto him, but that's another story.

Nevertheless, even with the best intentions no party/government has the right standing and foreign support to leave Europe succesfully, even the yellow-green government didn't have any actual chance. If we try, the best we can hope for is a scenario a la Tsipras' Greece.

That's why I don't believe there's any chance that Meloni will attempt something like this, and even if she promises Italexit and a majority of Italians votes her for it, the reactionary Mattarella will stop it. No worries, Italy is a democracy only as long as people vote "correctly", and by correctly I mean in a way that doesn't scare the markets.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:47AM (#32239891)
M5S fan spotted.
Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by pastacacioepepe on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @07:54AM (#32249376)
And I spotted someone without arguments.

Seriously, calling "crazy old man" someone who's done more in their life than you will in 5 of your lives is some interesting form of coping.

Re:Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life a... by lormayna on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @12:39PM (#32252722)
He can be had a lot of good things in the past, but this not ensuring that he has crazy idea right now. Think about Luc Montagner: he was a Nobel prize scientist, but his position about vaccines and COVID was crazy.

And if he want to exit from Euro, he and the parties that supporting him, they must say it explicitly in front of the Italians, instead that be foggy about the topic and prepare hidden plans to be implemented overnight.