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Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by addicted on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:03PM (#32187983)
> Less than two years later, Oregon is suffering through the predictable results of this experiment: overdoses are skyrocketing, violent crime is rising, and virtually nobody is getting treatment.

This is also true across the country, the vast majority of which have not decriminalized anything.

And if property crimes are rising, the real question is why the people committing those crimes are not being arrested and brought to Justice.

You don’t need to arrest people for drug possession to prevent them from committing multiple real crimes. You need to arrest them for committing real crimes.

Which reveals the real attraction of drug arrests. They are easy. Which allows the police and the prosecutors to goose their numbers and look like they’re doing something, as opposed to solving and prosecuting real crime, which is harder to do.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by addicted on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:15PM (#32188061)
The article he links to actually refutes pretty much everything the author says.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2022/05/13/overdose-deaths-rose-3...

Oregon had the 5th largest rise in overdoses behind such progressive luminaries as Alaska, Kansas, South Dakota and Vermont. I may be wrong, but I doubt any of these states decriminalized hard drugs over this period.

And the article points out the massive jump in ODs is due to a significant influx of Fentanyl in Oregon, which until recently had been largely an East coast phenomenon.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by zaptheimpaler on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:50PM (#32188308)
Hear, hear! Fentanyl has destroyed every city it touches in the same way, regardless of whether drugs are decriminalized or not. The cops don't have the budget to deal with it, all crime rises and huge swaths of the city become uninhabitable/unsafe for everyone. That's clearly the root of the problem.

Another solution might be for heavy federal intervention in finding and dismantling the fentanyl distribution network and throwing everything at them. Those guys need to be jailed for life or killed.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by pstuart on Saturday July 23, 2022 @02:02PM (#32205813)
Another solution might be to allow opiate addicts to have access to safer versions (e.g., pharma grade and/or grow their own poppies).

My brother died of a heroin overdose many years ago -- it was illegal then (of course) and the country spent billions on "drug enforcement" but it didn't stop the black market from providing him a dangerous drug with no way of knowing purity.

Drug addiction is a health issue and by criminalizing it we don't make it go away, we just make it more expensive and more destructive to society.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by addicted on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:19PM (#32188099)
What the fentanyl situation shows is that the real problem with the various decriminalization efforts in the US is that they don’t go far enough.

They also need to be providing legal, vetted, licensed channels that supply drugs to the users so people aren’t using drugs laced with fentanyl.

That’s the quickest, easiest and probably the least likely to succeed solution.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by deepdriver on Friday July 22, 2022 @12:18AM (#32188484)
This is not how decriminalization of hard drugs has succeeded in any other country. Heroin abuse is illegal in Portugal, as is the unauthorized posession of fentanyl, MDMA, cocaine, crack, etc. They won't put you in prison, but they'll take you to jail. Addicts are compelled to enter treatment:

https://beportugal.com/portugal-drug-laws/

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/ldjif4/the_portugal...

San Francisco is doing all they can to pursue the sort of plan you propose. It isn't working. Drug abuse and related crimes have only gotten worse. "I heard about Portugal on a podcast" drug policy has been a disaster.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by cannabis_sam on Friday July 22, 2022 @04:18AM (#32189785)
Switzerland pioneered this approach, and it has been implemented in Germany, Netherlands, Canada and Denmark.[0]

What does Portugal have to do with it?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin-assisted_treatment

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by deepdriver on Saturday July 23, 2022 @03:01AM (#32201073)
There is a difference between legalizing recreational heroin, as the parent comment and activists like Dr. Carl Hart suggest, and providing maintenance doses in a medical setting under supervised and monitored conditions. Switzerland does the latter.

Portgul is relevant because their program of decriminalization is frequently referenced in media and by US policymakers.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by pstuart on Saturday July 23, 2022 @02:05PM (#32205853)
Hear, hear!

Society is just fine with people killing themselves with drugs as long as they are alcohol and tobacco.

The problem is too much money is made off the current situation and most the population has been brainwashed into thinking that making drugs illegal will protect us from them.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by deepdriver on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:18PM (#32188085)
IIRC homicides were up 30% nationwide, but 80% in Portland, OR. That seems like it still stands out from the trend. Dunno about other stats, but property crime tends to correlate with open-air drug use.
Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by addicted on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:29PM (#32188164)
It seems you’re recollecting numbers from this article.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2022...

2021 did indeed see a growth in homicides over 2020. But 2020 saw an even greater growth in homicides over 2019. Considering the measure was passed in Nov 2020, it’s pretty likely that the rise of homicides in Portland had causes other than Measure 110.

Re:Oregon’s decriminalization of drug possession is proving ... by deepdriver on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:40PM (#32188241)
Yes, looks like the 80% number is from 2021. Here are more recent figures:

>The homicide rate in the City of Portland is up 207% according to a new report released this morning by Mayor Wheeler's office.

https://twitter.com/KATUNews/status/1548387567015383040