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Re:Why does Apple hate the scrollbar? by hulitu on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:04PM (#32185040)
" What use case is there?"

I need to scroll the damn thing. Not with the mouse scroll ( too rough) not with the keyboard ( i don't want to lose keyboard focus from the current element). I just need to scroll. I don't have time to wait until the scrollbar appears, i don't want to click for it to appear. I just want it there.

Re:Why does Apple hate the scrollbar? by v0idzer0 on Thursday July 21, 2022 @09:13PM (#32187309)
All you have to do is hover the area where it lives and it appears. You’d have to hover the area anyway to touch it. It’s entirely inconsequential to usability and obviously looks significantly better
Re:Why does Apple hate the scrollbar? by grosswait on Thursday July 21, 2022 @09:45PM (#32187494)
Sometimes the scroll bar that appears when hovering is so thin one must move back and forth to zero in on it while it disappears until you’ve finally found the spot. I would much prefer it just stay visible rather than play hide and seek.
Re:Why does Apple hate the scrollbar? by ksaj on Friday July 22, 2022 @12:15AM (#32188460)
Agreed. Also I read a lot of long text pages, so it's nice to see the scroll bar as a position marker.
Re:Why does Apple hate the scrollbar? by v0idzer0 on Friday July 22, 2022 @07:56AM (#32190982)
You can make them stay visible in settings