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Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by sharkweek on Thursday July 21, 2022 @12:04AM (#32175664)
“The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make, and could just as easily make differently.”

-David Graeber

I know this reads as a gross oversimplification but it rings true all the time. Imagine if almost everyone collectively at Salesforce said, “nope, this is dumb! We are going to stop working until this benefit is handed out to everyone at the company.” It’d be changed back / expanded within 48 hours.

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by brigandish on Thursday July 21, 2022 @12:29AM (#32175780)
You'd have to solve the prisoner's dilemma though, and that's something Graeber certainly hasn't managed to crack.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by AmericanChopper on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:19AM (#32176025)
You don’t have to solve it. There’s not really any problem to solve to begin with. People who are happy with the changed working conditions will continue to work there. People who do not want to tolerate the change will not continue to work there. Every person can precisely choose the outcome they want, without cooperation from anybody.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by brigandish on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:37AM (#32176118)
That's not what I was responding to though. This is:

> Imagine if almost everyone collectively at Salesforce said, “nope, this is dumb! We are going to stop working until this benefit is handed out to everyone at the company.” It’d be changed back / expanded within 48 hours.

That's a prisoner's dilemma, people holding out for the best they can get. If enough people defect then it won't work.

Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by AmericanChopper on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:27AM (#32177293)
The prisoners dilemma doesn’t apply to this situation, because every single individual involved can, without any cooperation from anybody else, easily get the optimal outcome for themselves.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by Shish2k on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:44AM (#32177374)
If you define “optimal outcome” as “people who don’t like having their benefits revoked quit”, yes. But I think a lot of people would define “optimal outcome” as “people who don’t like having their benefits revoked don’t get them revoked”.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by AmericanChopper on Thursday July 21, 2022 @09:04AM (#32178824)
The distinction is unimportant, and if you care about it very much then you’re just losing on purpose.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by HWR_14 on Thursday July 21, 2022 @12:51AM (#32175889)
Why would you need to solve it? Because the prisoners dilemma suggests everyone should hold out for the holiday.
Re:Tell HN: Salesforce has globally revoked Slack's holiday ... by brigandish on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:35AM (#32176111)
The reason the dilemma is of any interest is because people do defect.