Re:Project for bringing macros to Scala
by michaelcampbell on Wednesday November 09, 2011 @02:26PM
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Well said. I'm reminded of the pg's Blub paradox, and Rich Hickey's recent quote, "I can't read German; does that make it unreadable?" both at the same time.
Re:Project for bringing macros to Scala
by bborud on Wednesday November 09, 2011 @04:48PM
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I think a better analogy is struggling to understand odd (spoken) english dialects: yes, they are speaking english, but not the variant(s) you know.
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
On one hand you are saying that most projects you have worked on end up creating their own language, usually as some kind of DSL. Then you argue that the way to counter this is to ... give people more tools to craft DSLs.
So what are you trying to say?
PS: you seem to make a lot of assumptions about me based on ... what exactly? I don't believe we've met and whatever you are "in direct opposition" to is simply a straw man you have imagined.
It has been said that at any given point, every project implements their own programming language, usually as some kind of DSL, and they do it really really badly. I've seen this borne out in practice in EVERY commercial project I've worked on. I've seen it, I've lived, and I continue to live it every day. Macros are one of the ways out of this mess that we've created for ourselves. While a lot of macro research is still cutting edge, slowly different techniques are becoming more proven and starting to disseminate more and more into mainstream languages and runtimes. The problems you mention with macros have honestly already been dealt with in the past decade or two.
I've dealt with people like you at work before. Your kind are those that stare at any abstraction they don't understand with immediate suspicion and reject it without any real consideration. They refuse to learn new things or improve their programming abilities or toolset. While this in of itself isn't a crime, they hold the rest of the industry back by rejecting superior technologies as they come along because they refuse to take the time understand them.
Your kind and mine, sir, are in direct opposition.