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Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by fdeage on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:21AM (#32165425)
> He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over his sport or game than Tinsley.

Very interesting comment. This sentence about dominance in a field made me think of Stu Ungar, who dominated Gin Rummy so completely that he had to switch to Poker (where he became a 3-time world champion) to meet interesting adversaries.

I couldn't find an exact reference for the following quote, but still: "Some day, I suppose it's possible for someone to be a better No Limit Hold'em player than me. I doubt it, but it could happen. But, I swear to you, I don't see how anyone could ever play gin better than me."

Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by q7xvh97o2pDhNrh on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:57AM (#32165873)
Fascinating character. I ended up reading the whole Wikipedia article [1] because of your comment.

Sounds like he was very skilled and continuously getting better -- which is of course impressive. At the same time, his overall life story turns out to be tragic. Two choice quotes from the article really jumped out for me:

> Ungar told ESPN TV... that the 1980 WSOP was the first time he had ever played a Texas hold'em tournament. Poker legend Doyle Brunson remarked that it was the first time he had seen a player improve as the tournament went on.

> Ungar is regarded by many poker analysts and insiders as one of the greatest pure-talent players ever to play the game. But on the topic of his life, Stu’s long term friend Mike Sexton said “In the game of life, Stu Ungar was a loser.”

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Ungar

Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by RockyMcNuts on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:53AM (#32166595)
there's a (so-so) movie - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338467/

when the show Billions did a poker game they used a famous Stu Ungar hand https://somuchpoker.com/calling-with-ten-high-stu-ungar-vs-m...

(but OMG that game was so cringey for so many reasons, you don't get to call time and go talk to your therapist in the middle of a hand)

Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by xhevahir on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @01:49PM (#32169559)
After reading that Wikipedia article I'm reminded of a episode of Law and Order: Criminal Intent that was almost certainly inspired by Ungar's life: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0799186/ . The character appears in two episodes, although the second one isn't that great.
Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by throwawaycuriou on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @12:33PM (#32168235)
Along the same lines of utterly dominant and lesser known, Jahangir Khan in the sport of squash. Most famously for 555 consecutive victories.
Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by tialaramex on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:47PM (#32172861)
> "Some day, I suppose it's possible for someone to be a better No Limit Hold'em player than me. I doubt it, but it could happen. But, I swear to you, I don't see how anyone could ever play gin better than me."

An approximately optimal strategy for Limit Heads Up was determined: http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ is a Limit solution.

Machines don't play No Limit perfectly, but they're good enough to have beaten the best humans available when they last tried, so I expect if Stu had lived long enough they'd beat Stu too.

Interestingly Gin Rummy is not seen as a major AI research target. I found some undergraduates playing with relatively simple AI approaches for Gin Rummy as basically a getting your feet wet exercise, but this is apparently not in the context of "Here's what the grown-ups did" but rather "Nobody is exploring this, so whatever you do is actually novel". So there's a real opportunity if somebody is interested.

Re:Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title by toolslive on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:43PM (#32172795)
About being dominant. What about Raymond Ceulemans ? From the wikipedia page: Billiards player, having won

   - 35 World Championship titles (23 in three-cushion + 12 in other carom disciplines)
   - 48 European titles (23 in three-cushion) and 
   - 61 national titles.