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Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:48AM (#32163455)
> It's like phone chargers before USB.

No, it's like phone chargers before EU regulators stepped in.

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by Certhas on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:40AM (#32163797)
That was my first association as well. This seems like a much much harder thing to regulate though...

For USB chargers industry had come up with a good solution but market failure meant there was no incentive to adopt it. That's text book regulation stuff. Here there doesn't seem to be a good proven solution out there that you could mandate...

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by pas on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @08:13AM (#32164615)
there's no need to mandate it, but the EU could spend a few ebucks on consumer appliances interoperability testing, and simply shaming those that suck. (or at least put out a statement about the problem, which could be simply lack of incentives for cooperation on solving the issues. or maybe too much backward compatibility preventing the whole ecosystem to move to more robust BT standards, etc.)

for example just a few days (week) ago there was a thread about how Logitech wireless stuff and wireless headphones interfere.

sure, it's hard to point to a singular root cause (Logitech emits too much, or headphones are ill-designed and BT is simply not the right tool for this because this or that)

but there are clear software (firmware, drivers, kernel) failures, that stem from simply releasing absolute garbage. (and every layer just coding for the happy path.)

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by dghlsakjg on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:41AM (#32166418)
Logitech bluetooth wireless and apple airpods specifically. Logitech over their own wireless protocol, or any other set of wireless headphones is fine.

I have three sets of bluetooth headphones that I use on a rotating basis daily with my logitech bluetooth mouse and keyboard, and they are all dead reliable... well dead reliable for bluetooth devices

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by moonchrome on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:50AM (#32163874)
>No, it's like phone chargers before EU regulators stepped in.

When did this happen ?

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by npteljes on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:31AM (#32164202)
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by detaro on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:51AM (#32163881)
2009
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by tekknik on Thursday July 21, 2022 @09:20AM (#32179000)
I for one will be very happy when the EU forces my US iPhone to drop lightning.

/s

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by grnmamba on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:53AM (#32163478)
Everyone except Apple was already on USB.

And even in the pre-smartphone days, phone chargers always worked reliably. Phone charging is and was the complete opposite of what bluetooth is today.

Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by bigbillheck on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:01AM (#32163539)
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by grnmamba on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:10AM (#32163600)
Ok, so since 2009 everyone except Apple was on USB.
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by seszett on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:01AM (#32165163)
2009 is when the EU stepped in. They didn't have to set it into law because the industry agreed to it voluntarily except for Apple.
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by artiii on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:38PM (#32173329)
"industry agreed to it voluntarily" China before eu(~1-2y) forces usb chargers. and industry had choice, make special version for them or not.
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by id on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:35AM (#32163756)
No, because there were many other manufacturers.
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by ralfd on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:40AM (#32165641)
Thankfully that EU initiative failed. They wanted the industry to adopt micro-usb as the standard, which would have sucked and would be worse than the situation today
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by afiori on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @11:16AM (#32166954)
The EU charger mandate required USB if USB was sufficient, IIRC apple managed to continue using lightning connectors b arguing that USB standards of the time where not enough for the iPhone.
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by bigbillheck on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @12:14PM (#32167917)
Is the situation today not 'everything is micro-usb, usb-c, or apple'?
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by detaro on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:42AM (#32165672)
How was getting all manufacturers to agree a "failure"?
Re:Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after... by RedShift1 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:51AM (#32163882)
> Everyone except Apple was already on USB.

My old box of chargers begs to differ