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Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by eriktrautman on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:42AM (#32163046)
Firearm deaths just overtook auto deaths as the leading cause of death in children and adolescents in the US: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

Unclear the portion that is suicides but homicides are the fastest growing segment beyond unintentional poisonings

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by brigandish on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:05AM (#32164006)
From the article:

> Although the new data are consistent with other evidence that firearm violence has increased during the Covid-19 pandemic,5 the reasons for the increase are unclear,

Seems like there is a pretty obvious candidate for that, lockdowns.

Still, only time will tell, as they go on to say with the rest of that quote:

> and it cannot be assumed that firearm-related mortality will later revert to prepandemic levels.

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by sneak on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:35AM (#32165579)
This bundles in firearm suicides with firearm homicides, obscuring the real issue.

When most people say "gun violence" they do not mean gun-as-tool-used-in-suicide, they mean nonconsensual use of a firearm against someone.

Suicides are way up. Gun murders are up too, but they're still pretty low in the scheme of things. They're "safe to completely ignore" low if you're not in one of a few specific counties in the US where gang violence causes 70-90% of the gun murders.

The movie plot/evening news gun violence stuff that you hear about is so rare as to be safely ignored in all parts of the US.

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by AlexandrB on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:41AM (#32166416)
Making guns harder to access probably reduces suicide rates as well because there are few faster, easier methods of suicide than a gun[1]. I think it's valid to lump gun suicides with other gun violence for this reason.

> The consensus among public health experts is that there is strong evidence that reducing firearm suicides in contexts where more-lethal means of attempting suicide are unavailable will result in reductions in the total suicide rate (see, for example, Office of the Surgeon General and National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention, 2012; World Health Organization, 2014; for review, see Azrael and Miller, 2016).

[1] https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/suicide.ht...

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by JamesBarney on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:36PM (#32171038)
There's actually better evidence gun control will reduce suicides than homicides.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by refurb on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:44AM (#32166463)
Yet the US suicide rate is lower than other developed countries that have no guns.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by cinntaile on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#32166610)
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by refurb on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @11:15AM (#32166934)
South Korea isn’t a developed nation?
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by TheCoelacanth on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:28PM (#32182203)
One developed country with few guns having a higher rate but dozens with few guns having a lower rate is not a very strong argument in favor of your point.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by refurb on Thursday July 21, 2022 @08:55PM (#32187204)
Yes it does.

It shows there is zero correlation.

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by jaredklewis on Friday July 22, 2022 @02:42AM (#32189228)
Only in a simple world where any given phenomenon can only have a single cause.

For example, imagine we find that higher speed limits increase the rate of automobile accidents in a given area. That finding doesn't preclude that poorly maintained roads might also increase the rate of accidents. So just the existence of an area with a high level of car accidents and very low speed limits doesn't necessarily mean that there is no correlation or causal link between speed limits and automobile accidents. It may just mean that the area suffers greatly from other causes (like poorly maintained roads).

Similarly, I think it is fairly intuitive to assume that there are probably a host of causal factors in suicide rates. For sure, means isn't the only factor but it is an important one.

There's been research into means reduction, and it does seem to have an effect on reducing suicide. The hypothesis is fairly intuitive: many suicides are a response to a crisis, and a human in crisis-mode is not always a great problem solver; lack of an obvious means sometimes gives people some extra time to reconsider.

You can read a high level summary of some of the research here: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by mikewhy on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:39PM (#32171093)
Is this data like way off or something? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-deaths-firearms
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by lern_too_spel on Thursday July 21, 2022 @12:37AM (#32175831)
Yes. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-deaths-firearms is the correct data. The US is worse than most other developed countries, but not that much worse.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by mikewhy on Thursday July 21, 2022 @02:31PM (#32183002)
Did you mean to repost the same link I did?
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by lern_too_spel on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:05PM (#32197110)
I did not. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-death-rates is the corrected link. My HN reader did not update the location bar after clicking to the correct page.