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Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by refurb on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:44AM (#32166463)
Yet the US suicide rate is lower than other developed countries that have no guns.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by cinntaile on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#32166610)
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by refurb on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @11:15AM (#32166934)
South Korea isn’t a developed nation?
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by TheCoelacanth on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:28PM (#32182203)
One developed country with few guns having a higher rate but dozens with few guns having a lower rate is not a very strong argument in favor of your point.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by refurb on Thursday July 21, 2022 @08:55PM (#32187204)
Yes it does.

It shows there is zero correlation.

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by jaredklewis on Friday July 22, 2022 @02:42AM (#32189228)
Only in a simple world where any given phenomenon can only have a single cause.

For example, imagine we find that higher speed limits increase the rate of automobile accidents in a given area. That finding doesn't preclude that poorly maintained roads might also increase the rate of accidents. So just the existence of an area with a high level of car accidents and very low speed limits doesn't necessarily mean that there is no correlation or causal link between speed limits and automobile accidents. It may just mean that the area suffers greatly from other causes (like poorly maintained roads).

Similarly, I think it is fairly intuitive to assume that there are probably a host of causal factors in suicide rates. For sure, means isn't the only factor but it is an important one.

There's been research into means reduction, and it does seem to have an effect on reducing suicide. The hypothesis is fairly intuitive: many suicides are a response to a crisis, and a human in crisis-mode is not always a great problem solver; lack of an obvious means sometimes gives people some extra time to reconsider.

You can read a high level summary of some of the research here: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by mikewhy on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:39PM (#32171093)
Is this data like way off or something? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-deaths-firearms
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by lern_too_spel on Thursday July 21, 2022 @12:37AM (#32175831)
Yes. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-deaths-firearms is the correct data. The US is worse than most other developed countries, but not that much worse.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by mikewhy on Thursday July 21, 2022 @02:31PM (#32183002)
Did you mean to repost the same link I did?
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by lern_too_spel on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:05PM (#32197110)
I did not. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-death-rates is the corrected link. My HN reader did not update the location bar after clicking to the correct page.