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Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by kebman on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:08AM (#32149540)
Whatever it needs to do becomes different based on how your country is governed.

China has unelected* leaders that at least in theory holds only Communist ideals.

While flawed, in a republic at least you get to vote for your leaders, and thus choose what ideals you like the best.

Of course republicanism or democracy does not preclude a country from committing horrible acts, but they are cleaned up much sooner, and those who are responsible for it are thrown out of office (and sometimes even into jail). Not so in authoritarian countries like China.

* You can technically vote in China, but due to its authoritarian nature only one party is allowed and you're expected to uphold the party line.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by _emacsomancer_ on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:00AM (#32149866)
The US also runs on an authoritarian single party system, it's just that with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by kebman on Thursday July 21, 2022 @02:56AM (#32176560)
No it doesn't. Except for cancel culture (which isn't state run btw), you can say and think almost whatever you like in the USA so long as it isn't prejudiced or harassing. You are also not punished for starting other parties in the USA, since it's completely legal. Thus there are alternatives to the Democrats and Republicans. The First Past the Post system just means that that it's extremely unlikely that alternatives will ever challenge the biggest two. Other than that the American system is decidedly liberal and free.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by _emacsomancer_ on Thursday July 21, 2022 @03:19AM (#32176676)
"Other than in [any way that matters materially] the American system is decidedly liberal and free."
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by kebman on Thursday July 21, 2022 @04:49AM (#32177097)
Can you please expand upon how the American political system isn't free in any way that matters materially?
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by _emacsomancer_ on Thursday July 21, 2022 @07:36AM (#32178141)
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by kebman on Thursday July 21, 2022 @10:08AM (#32179593)
What has that got to do with the political system in the USA? You have every opportunity of changing how American prisons are organized by participating in the political system. Nobody will jail you for having an opinion about it, or campaigning for prison reform, or hell, even legal reforms in general. Not so in China. If you criticize the state there, you do indeed risk jail, if you don't just suddenly vanish. The main difference here is that the USA has a largely liberal system, while China has an authoritarian one. Good luck surviving (!) in China if you have a strong political opinion about any issue pertaining to their state or their leadership. One of the main differences between the American and the Chinese system is that scrutiny and criticism is welcomed as a means of making things better in the USA, while it is punished in the People's Republic.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by _emacsomancer_ on Thursday July 21, 2022 @10:51AM (#32180077)
> You have every opportunity of changing how American prisons are organized by participating in the political system.

How so? Both parties are all in on the prison-industrial scam. Likewise for healthcare, etc. I agree that the US has a largely 'liberal' system, in the classical sense of 'liberal'. I.e. capital trumps human beings.

And you ignore the fact that the US imprisons a much higher percentage of its population than other countries. Part and parcel of the authoritarianism (which is only increasing).

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by kebman on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:47AM (#32180786)
Welcome to democracy! As a minority opinion you will naturally not be able to force the majority to accept yours. If you did, that would be authoritarian and evil... You're still allowed to voice that opinion, however (within very liberal limits). For instance you can involve yourself more directly within the parties and run for various political positions, write petitions, become a member of pressure or lobby groups, arrange demonstrations, and many other things. Hell, you can even pointlessly troll discussions here on YT with political straw man arguments! And because you live in The Land of the Free nobody will jail you for it! This is why the American system is liberal and the Chinese system is not. But good luck on making prison reform in the USA. God knows they need it!

Edit: To answer your claim that:

> “(...) the US imprisons a much higher percentage of its population than other countries. Part and parcel of the authoritarianism.”

No, it's not. Every guilty prisoner in the USA had a public trial with a lawyer before they were sent to jail. In other words they had due process which is the mark of a liberal democracy. On the other hand due process is constantly broken in authoritarian regimes. A great example is, again, China, where you can be "vanished" just for having the wrong opinion, if you're not simply sent to a re-education camp that is for all intents and purposes a modern style of concentration camp.

Before you even try, can the USA be accused of the same thing? Why yes, because it imprisons enemy combatants which are then subjected to cruel an unusual treatment, for instance at Guantanamo Bay (which is amazingly still open for business). But crucially the USA does not do this to American citizens, so while they act horribly authoritarian towards external enemies, they do not act authoritarian against their own citizens, not even towards domestic political opponents.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by akho on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:12AM (#32149965)
In the US, you are expected to uphold the line that brings you donors. That makes leftist parties non-viable. That’s not such a big difference from the Chinese situation as you’d think, except in direction.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by FreqSep on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @09:26AM (#32151102)
What makes leftist parties unviable is the majority of the population disapproving of socialism.

People online vastly overestimate the actual effect of money on political results, naturally disregarding all the donations made to candidates that lose and ignoring races where the lesser funded candidates win.

If Americans wanted a leftist government, they’d vote for it, simple as that. And yet even in the most left leaning states and cities in the nation , leftist principles have failed to gain much electoral ground.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by kebman on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @11:31AM (#32152993)
This is correct and supported by statistical findings within Political Science.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by roca on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:36AM (#32150129)
The CCP:

-- Put a million Uighurs in camps

-- Persecutes followers of pretty much all religions --- Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Falun Gong, etc

-- Flat-out censors anything that offends them in the slightest

-- Puts whoever they want into detention with no kind of due process, from small-time activists to billionaires

-- Harvests the organs of (not previously dead) prisoners

-- Had drones peering into apartment windows during the latest COVID lockdown, broadcasting the literal message "control your soul's desire for freedom"

-- and of course is an autocracy in which Xi Jinping has absolute power

The USA is far from perfect but one thing we learned from Trump in 2016 and Bloomberg in 2020 is that money isn't everything in American politics. The parties do have major differences and bad actors can be held accountable.

I'm not American, but this equivalence that some people like to draw between the governments of China and the USA drives me crazy.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by akho on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @09:00AM (#32150839)
I was speaking strictly about access of differing view / value systems to the voting ballot, not judging the systems a whole. China sucks more.

(Though viewing China as a full autocracy with absolute power of a single individual is extremely simplistic)

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by roca on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @11:18PM (#32160991)
Political representation of different view/value systems is much better in the USA than in China.

> (Though viewing China as a full autocracy with absolute power of a single individual is extremely simplistic)

It's overly simplistic, but less "overly" than it was 10 years ago.