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Re:German Government Lied About Nuclear by cm2187 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @12:55PM (#32128526)
> We have a heating problem or an industry problem, but not an electricity problem — at least not generally throughout the country.

I don't even get that logic. The easy substitution for gas heating is electric heating (all you need is to plug a cheap portable electric heater in a power socket).

[edit] also it seems 12% of the german electricity is generated with gas. So more nuclear should directly translate in more gas available to some other use, shouldn't it?

Re:German Government Lied About Nuclear by mvgcf on Monday July 18, 2022 @12:20AM (#32134627)
Gas is used as a preliminary product in chemical processes. Thus the industry needs gas, not electrical heating.
Re:German Government Lied About Nuclear by CRConrad on Monday July 18, 2022 @07:52AM (#32137167)
Way not to understand the comment you replied to: Yes, the industry needs gas, not electrical heating. And at the moment, most gas in Germany is used for industrial purposes; some, to heat homes; and some, to generate electricity.

Therefore any gas freed up, by not being used to generate electricity or heat homes, can be used for those industrial purposes in stead. So using nuclear power in stead of gas to generate electricity, and electricity in stead of gas to heat homes, frees up some gas for industrial use.

Sheesh.

Re:German Government Lied About Nuclear by spfzero on Sunday July 17, 2022 @07:44PM (#32132752)
I also read that with incredulity "but not an electricity problem". Germany generates lots of electricity from coal and gas, emitting lots of carbon dioxide. That's a problem.
Re:German Government Lied About Nuclear by dirkt on Monday July 18, 2022 @12:53AM (#32134815)
Germany can get coal from somewhere else. Germany cannot get gas from somewhere else, at least not in sufficient quantities.

In 2021, gas was used for 17% of the generated electricity [1]. This percentage is artificially high, since CO2 offsets for gas compared to other energy resources made it very attractive.

Adjusting that down, the remaining 10% or so can easily be replaced by other sources, or imported.

OTOH, about 50% of German households are heated with gas. You cannot replace all 200 million of those installations with electric heating (even if we wanted to, electric heating wastes the most energy).

The industry is also highly dependent on natural gas, e.g. to produce glass (including solar panels), or as a raw material, e.g. to produce fertilizer, or other chemicals. That cannot be replaced by electricity. Should those industries not be able to continue working because of a gas shortage, this will have a ripple effect for the whole German economy.

Yet the internet echo chamber mob continues to claim that Germany has an electricity problem, and could just instantly turn off the Russian gas if they'd just switch to nuclear... and you have to tell every single one of the to do some research. The internet has truly become an ugly place.

[1] https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2022/03...

Re:German Government Lied About Nuclear by fragmede on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:39AM (#32135664)
> You cannot replace all 200 million of those installations with electric heating

Why not? That seems entirely tractable to me, given 4 months and a large enough budget. It’s undesirable for other reasons, sure, but if it’s between literally freezing to death and surviving, I know which one I’d choose.