Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ghastmaster on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:05PM (#32120933)

Did early humans own the tools they created? Probably. Government limits this in almost all cases. Even the liberty minded founders of the USA created eminent domain which is not limited in which property the state can take, technically. The USA typically is supportive of private ownership, but not the originator. I think ownership exists inherently in humans. As does it's counterpart theft. We have decided that theft is bad and ownership is good over the millennia. It is possible we may change to not value ownership and theft would then have a more positive connotation.

Business cannot exist without two parties transacting. Businesses can exist without ownership. That is if you do not consider a persons labor to be "owned" by them. There does not even have to be capital exchanged. Bartering for labor can and does happen.

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Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by bluefirebrand on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:23PM (#32122870)

> That is if you do not consider a persons labor to be "owned" by them

That would be an insane stance to take. That is essentially arguing in favor of slavery, the idea that someone other than me owns my labour.

You can own the output of my labour if you have an employment contract with me where I trade you that in exchange for something from you, but you can't ever own my labour itself. That would be nuts.

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Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by feet on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:38PM (#32122218)

Businesses can be owned by all of the workers collectively, its rather silly to assume that's not true and it needs a singular owner. There is zero reason why this would be the case. Groups of people can agree on things, believe it or not.

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