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Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ekianjo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:47AM (#32118043)
> he only way Amazon workers are going to get decent wage increases.

If everyone gets paid tomorrow 100 USD/hour, everything around you will start costing 10x more. Look at Switzerland.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by somehnguy on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:03AM (#32118209)
1. Who is asking for $100/hr at this level?

2. Maybe CEOs and executives don’t need to pay themselves such absurd salaries, that would probably help.

What a strange comment imo. I can’t take the ‘everything will go up!’ stance seriously while higher ups are buying 10 houses and private jets. The wage gap is atrocious.

By the way, Switzerland’s GDP is 748 billion vs the United States’ 20.94 trillion. Comparing them like that is meaningless and silly.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by drstewart on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:28AM (#32118483)
>Maybe CEOs and executives don’t need to pay themselves such absurd salaries, that would probably help

Can you show your work here? Assume Amazon executives cut their salaries to 0, how much extra would they be able to pay workers?

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by tjpnz on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:05AM (#32118837)
Everyone would get 213 dollars a year extra if just their CEO didn't receive any compensation. Amazon employs approximately 1 million people in the United States and Andy Jassy received 213 million total comp in 2021.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by kristjansson on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:32AM (#32119100)
That ~200m (really 61000 shares) vests over 10 years though. So really ~20 bucks per employee per year.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ekianjo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:48AM (#32119232)
> Everyone would get 213 dollars a year extra if just their CEO didn't receive any compensation.

Wow, then they can buy an extra starbucks coffee now and then. That would surely change their life.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by umanwizard on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:18AM (#32118971)
So, practically none.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by UncleMeat on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:07AM (#32127457)
Better off in Jassy's pockets then?
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by somehnguy on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:07PM (#32119393)
Their example was only a single person cutting salary, so practically meaningless. And I would also argue, in bad faith with the design of proving a point with bad data.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by NovemberWhiskey on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:35PM (#32119625)
Feel free to pick a representative group of executives for your purposes; it really won't make any difference.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by zeroonetwothree on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:58AM (#32118776)
It’s something like $300-1000/yr more if we average over all Amazon employees, depending on who counts as “executives”.

If the high pay is truly attracting better performers (which I admit is unlikely) they could easily be benefiting the company’s workers a larger amount by increasing demand. Or maybe not and they are kinda useless , but in any case the total cost isn’t that high.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by NovemberWhiskey on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:24PM (#32119520)
That doesn't pass the sniff test.

Amazon allegedly has about 1.6 million employees. Assuming that the "executive" class is a trivially small number of them, and that the average employee works say 2,000 hours per year, you're suggesting that the cost to Amazon of paying those executives is somewhere between $960B and $3.2T per year.

The high end of that estimate is about one fifth of the total earned income for the entire U.S. economy.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ekianjo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:31AM (#32118515)
> 1. Who is asking for $100/hr at this level?

Why not? If you can double every few years eventually you will get to 100 dollars. And if you claim that everyone needs to make decent wages, who is to define what "decent" is supposed to be? People will always be asking for more, never less.

> 2. Maybe CEOs and executives don’t need to pay themselves such absurd salaries, that would probably help.

Even if CEOs gave up their whole salary tomorrow, it would not change the pay of people working in very large companies with dozens of thousands or hundred of thousands of employees.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by somehnguy on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:11PM (#32119420)
> Why not? If you can double every few years eventually you will get to 100 dollars.

Huh? That isn’t reasonable at all and I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith because of it.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ekianjo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:47PM (#32124010)
With inflation 100 dollars will become very reasonable soon enough.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by TulliusCicero on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:19PM (#32119482)
The social effects of this seem to be really good, if you look at quality of life in Switzerland.

If wages at the bottom go up and that causes inflation, the overall impact of that is wage compression, or in other words, reduced income inequality. Which is what we want.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by NovemberWhiskey on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:53PM (#32119802)
>reduced income inequality. Which is what we want.

Reducing the PPP of rich people while only maintaining that of poorer people seems like a dubious policy outcome, at least in economic terms.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by TulliusCicero on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:11PM (#32123467)
That's not how it works. The increase in income in the lower quintile outpaces inflation.

Well, it wouldn't outpace inflation right now, shit is crazy. But usually, yes.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by Jiejeing on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:02AM (#32118187)
Prices in Switzerland are somewhat similar to or a bit higher (and certainly not 10 times) than the US, except for meat.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by 9dev on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:54AM (#32118742)
Try saying that again after paying 16€ for a kebab in Basel compared to 5€ in Germany, a few kilometres to the east. There is definitely a difference.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by TulliusCicero on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:20PM (#32119488)
This not accurate. Eating out, for example, is very expensive there, even compared to major cities in the US.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by Jiejeing on Sunday July 17, 2022 @02:24PM (#32129528)
I am not really a restaurant person, but when eating in LA or SF, while the prices were cheaper than Swiss prices, the difference was not huge after factoring in the "mandatory" tipping common in the US.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by danans on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:51AM (#32118714)
Interesting, do the swiss eat less meat as a consequence?
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ilikehurdles on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:24AM (#32118441)
While I do agree in principle that rapidly increasing wages leads to price inflation, your reference does not relate to my experience in Switzerland (most recently was there on Saturday and will spend the next few days there starting tomorrow.)
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ekianjo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:33AM (#32118532)
> your reference does not relate to my experience in Switzerland

Living in Switzerland is clearly way more expensive than living in any of its close neighbors, so please explain me how this is not related to higher wages.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by GordonS on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:50AM (#32118703)
But... aren't wages in Switzerland also higher than their close neighbours? It's the same thing in Norway - everything seems expensive for visitors, but wages are much higher too.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ekianjo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:47AM (#32119218)
The point is that once you raise wages, the cost of living automatically goes up. You don't make everyone rich, you end up paying more for everything.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by jon_adler on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:55PM (#32119822)
Wouldn’t this situation make imported goods cheaper for everyone?
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by bitcharmer on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:24AM (#32119028)
Yes, and the quality of life for a physical worker is much higher than for someone from the US. What's your point?