Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by mihaic on Sunday July 17, 2022 @08:10PM
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One thing I don't see the article mentioning is how rigid Egyptian culture and society was from 3000 BC up to the time of Alexander the Great.
The Narmer palette is the classic example of how the artistic style sprung up almost fully formed in just a few hundred years. After that, it all was just minor variations on the same theme.
It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is cultural continuity, some styles just live on after they reached maturity until the entire culture is wiped out.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by nebqr on Monday July 18, 2022 @12:50AM
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Those Greek columns are themselves cribbed from Ancient Egyptian columns which are reproductions in stone of the bundled papyrus stalk columns that they used for support of their mud brick buildings.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by the_omegist on Monday July 18, 2022 @08:09AM
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> It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is cultural continuity, some styles just live on after they reached maturity until the entire culture is wiped out.
Or perhaps, if one "purpose" of Art is to reach some aesthetic "perfection", where/when form and purpose reach a common maximum, then there is no need to even try to "improve" anything anymore.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by wrp on Sunday July 17, 2022 @09:16PM
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Ancient Egyptian art was intentionally abstract. It has been called "conceptual" rather than "perceptual" in style. Figures were flattened to provide an abstraction of their most salient features, not because the artists didn't understand perspective.
Incidentally, this style came back into fashion for a few centuries in Middle Ages Europe. You can see many examples in tapestries and illuminated manuscripts.
If you are curious about Ancient Egyptian culture, these two books have mostly excellent articles.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by cc101 on Friday July 15, 2022 @07:36PM
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They used an art technique called fullest aspect (I think). Many of ancient Egypt's figures flatten both the front and the side views into the same figure. I think that is what you are referring to.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by spockz on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:29PM
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The “Egyptian history” book I’m reading with my kid states that the “Egyptians couldn’t draw perspective and therefore flattened everything” and continues with that this is the reason we see multi storied houses in drawing but not in archeological finds.
Does this ring a bell or is it just elementary school oversimplification again?
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by technothrasher on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:54PM
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Well, the article linked to implies that the reason for the flat aspect of the artwork was that they were more interested in strongly conveying themes and concepts than they were reproducing what the eye sees. The article compares it to a modern comic strip. Whether they "couldn't" draw perspective, or were just uninterested, I don't know. I believe it was the Greeks in the 6th(?) century BC who were the first to use linear perspective in their art.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by pyinstallwoes on Sunday July 17, 2022 @06:55PM
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Reeks of oversimplification and hand-waving explanations. The Egyptians clearly understood very advanced geometry and methods to measure the world.
Everything the Egyptians did was intentional.
How could they build statues if they could only reason in 2d space? That makes no sense.
In a way many of their creations are a combination of spacetime(3d and time) accompanied by 2d storytelling as a form of narrative much like we write on the internet except maybe more comic book like.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by slavik81 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @07:00PM
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That sounds reasonable. Until the rules of perspective were understood, artists were mostly quite poor at drawing realistic scenes. It wasn't until 1415 that the rules of perspective were thoroughly described, and the discovery dramatically improved the quality of art that was created after.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by ajuc on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:06PM
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Kids aren't idiots, they just had too little time to learn everything. I've had perspective drawing in art classes in elementary school and nobody had problems understanding it after 10 minute introduction.
Have you seen the willy coyote cartoon with a road painted on a rock? It uses perspective, and kids aged 7 understand what happens.
Re:Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make every...
by egypturnash on Sunday July 17, 2022 @06:00PM
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If my memory of carrying around a book on the subject during my family’s visit to Washington, DC during the Bicentennial is accurate, I had learnt some basics of perspective drawing at the age of five.
The Narmer palette is the classic example of how the artistic style sprung up almost fully formed in just a few hundred years. After that, it all was just minor variations on the same theme.
It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is cultural continuity, some styles just live on after they reached maturity until the entire culture is wiped out.
Or perhaps, if one "purpose" of Art is to reach some aesthetic "perfection", where/when form and purpose reach a common maximum, then there is no need to even try to "improve" anything anymore.
Incidentally, this style came back into fashion for a few centuries in Middle Ages Europe. You can see many examples in tapestries and illuminated manuscripts.
If you are curious about Ancient Egyptian culture, these two books have mostly excellent articles.
A Companion to Ancient Egyptian Art (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17073753-a-companion-to-...)
A Companion to Ancient Egypt (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8561459-a-companion-to-a...)
But who is very far away, but can see everything? Clearly the gods.. By making the images the way they do elevates the humans who see them to gods.
Does this ring a bell or is it just elementary school oversimplification again?
Everything the Egyptians did was intentional.
How could they build statues if they could only reason in 2d space? That makes no sense.
In a way many of their creations are a combination of spacetime(3d and time) accompanied by 2d storytelling as a form of narrative much like we write on the internet except maybe more comic book like.
http://www.essentialvermeer.com/technique/perspective/histor...
Have you seen the willy coyote cartoon with a road painted on a rock? It uses perspective, and kids aged 7 understand what happens.
These are wise words right there.
If you're serious, you can teach elementary school kids to draw with perspective.