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Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by D13Fd on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @03:21PM (#32087568)
It's literally painful to do an essay exam on pen and paper.

Only part of the exam is an essay exam, but modern law is going to be practiced on a computer, and it makes sense for the test to be administered on a computer.

(if only they could get away from ExamSoft...)

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by humanistbot on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @04:10PM (#32088156)
> It's literally painful to do an essay exam on pen and paper.

It is taking everything in me not to make a full-on "kids these days" rant.

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by WastingMyTime89 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:06PM (#32088760)
If it makes you feel better, in my modern western country, all exams are still done with pen and paper. It pretty much only has advantages: easier to proctor, less issue with cheating, less technical problems, everyone is taking the test in the same condition. The idea that you could just come out of school and not be able to write a dozen pages without feeling pain feels weird to me.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by demopathos on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:53AM (#32092825)
It fades pretty quickly. My hands cramped returning from each summer vacation as a child.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by mcculley on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @04:19PM (#32088238)
In order to make it fair, you would have to hobble every test taker to use pen and paper.

I remember writing essay answers with pen and paper and also with a typewriter and using Wite-Out. I would not want to compete using those tools against someone who is able to edit their answers before submitting them.

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by viraptor on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:48PM (#32089183)
It was painful for me decades ago. Not sure what it has to do with kids these days.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by keybored on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:22PM (#32088914)
I mean, it is wise of you to hold back. Writing by hand can be painful without the proper technique. I have one book that teaches you how to write properly by hand. It turns out that you should use your shoulder a lot more; it’s much easier to cramp up if you use your fingers to drive the pen/pencil, which is what I have always done. When was that book released? Maybe in the 1910s sometime. They don’t teach people such things any more.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by fomine3 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @11:59PM (#32091850)
Lack of backspace and clipboard is the point. I don't think modern people should be able to write long good text without them.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by joe5150 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:21PM (#32102126)
Could you share some more about this book?
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by thiht on Thursday July 14, 2022 @09:08AM (#32095583)
Go on and copy twelve pages of a book right now. Tell me at the end that it's not painful.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by crabcanon on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @10:33PM (#32091346)
>pen and paper

Kids these days. Back in my day we used chalk and a slate!

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by corrral on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @04:28PM (#32088333)
> It's literally painful to do an essay exam on pen and paper.

Hahaha, flashbacks to "Blue Book" exams in college, which was a long time ago but recently enough that I basically never wrote anything by hand (all typing) except those tests. They did indeed hurt.

[EDIT] To be clear, they hurt because I rarely wrote anything by hand.

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by kubik369 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:14PM (#32088851)
It does not need to be painful. There are pens that require far less friction to write than ballpoints or pencils, namely fountain pens and rollerballs. Good technique helps too, e.g. writing with your whole arm instead of your fingers and your wrist only.

Unfortunately, most people in Europe seem to be done with fountain pens after the first few years of elementary school. I am not sure about the rest of the world, but I would guess that it is similar.

// EDIT: Grammar

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by rgoulter on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @10:54PM (#32091464)
> Unfortunately, most people in Europe seem to be done with fountain pens after the first few years of elementary school.

I grew up in New Zealand.

Our writing stationery was pencils; the teachers didn't want young students using pens until the student could demonstrate competency in writing neatly. But after that, all the students used cheap ballpoint pens; maybe a gel or rollerball pen.

I never encountered fountain pens until the end of high school.

Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by potatochup on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:53AM (#32092169)
The hallowed pen licence! Our classroom had a sheet on the wall listing those who were allowed to be issued pens. Didn't make mine until year 6 I think.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by oynqr on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:06AM (#32092223)
Damn, I still wouldn't be allowed a neat writing device under that regime.
Re:You can‘t take the Bar exam if your laptop is too modern by postalrat on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @04:41PM (#32088486)
You are already fighting through the pain of taking a test. Pen and paper is just a tiny bit more.