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Re:Giving a shit as a service by datavirtue on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:05PM (#32074964)
The thing is, you take that lesson, try to speak up another time, and the executive flies off the handle at your boss about some perceived sidestepping of the hierarchy.

I have caught the good and the bad from speaking up but the universal message is to always keep your mouth shut...and that's why we can't have nice things.

I power through and speak up usually, but most people are deathly afraid to because of the spoken/unspoken "keep your mouth shut" cultural message born of hierarchies. Toxic, and probably the reason people flee corporate life ASAP.

Re:Giving a shit as a service by rlpb on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:33PM (#32075279)
Keeping your mouth shut maintains your own status quo. People advance in their careers by being good at knowing when to keep their mouths shut, and when to speak up.
Re:Giving a shit as a service by at-fates-hands on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:42PM (#32077256)
Agreed.

I've been in the same position a few times after this and it really is all about reading the room and the people you're talking to.

It was clear the execs I was talking to wanted to get a more "feet on the street" perspective on the project and find out what was really making the project lag behind. I felt like I had nothing to lose and could explain things in a simple manner so they could understand what the issue was and give them a viable alternative that could save the project.

In other situations, I've had the CTO sit in front of a room and berate a dev team I was on for not testing an external app and having it crash a bevy of servers for almost two days while asking if anybody had any answers as to why we didn't test enough. The other situation was getting pulled into a VP's office and ask me why a project wasn't hitting our goals. It felt like more of a "Tell me who I should be firing for this." meeting and I wasn't about to throw anybody under the bus and felt like being honest and speaking up wasn't in my best interest.