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Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff?

I have noticed that a lot of simple tasks are becoming more difficult to do with smartphones. For example in Android, it's basically impossible to set a countdown timer if the phone is locked without using a voice assistant. Apple might have implemented this specific feature better by allowing users to access the timer through the Control Center. However, iOS's calculator is just too cumbersome to use due its lack of features and sadly, there aren't a lot of decent alternatives in the App Store. Moreover, you couldn't delete all of your alarms at once without using Siri. What are your thoughts?

Edit: typo & additional examples

( 31 comments | 18 points | on HN )
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by dave4420 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @05:15PM (#32075791)
I don’t remember being able to do ANYTHING with a locked dumbphone, apart from answer calls.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by CRConrad on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:01PM (#32076905)
Silencing the alarm clock.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by dave4420 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @07:33AM (#32094558)
Fair enough. I never managed to work out how to set an alarm on my dumb phones.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by CRConrad on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:43AM (#32136312)
Ah, dumbphone; I may have missed that, and been thinking smartphone. Can't really recall if I ever did that on the old 6230i (etc) either.

But anyway, AFAICS answering[1] a phone call and silencing[2] an alarm are about the only functions you should be able to do on a locked phone, be it "dumb" or "smart".

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[1]: ObPedantry: Or dismissing. And hanging up when you're done talking.

[2]: ---- " ----: Or snoozing.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by onemoresoop on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:51PM (#32075516)
On IOS I find it a tad more difficult to edit parts of urls (eg remove www and add old for reddit or remove facebooks clid to posts) . We still have the ability to modify the url, Im grateful they haven't taken that away yet but I'm getting that some some things slowly become less usable, for some people at least. Also the main app for photos gets in my way with a lot of things I do not need, all those smart films of the month, face tagging and making albums out of tags is really something I wish I could turn off.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by Nextgrid on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @05:35PM (#32075983)
At some point on iOS they deprecated the "magnifying glass" that appeared when you held down on a piece of text, instead making your finger "pick up" the cursor. They've eventually re-introduced a similar (but worse, as it automatically starts a selection at the current word) functionality it but during that time it was very annoying.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by comprambler on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:17PM (#32077045)
Hold spacebar, acts as a primitive horizontal touchpad.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by onemoresoop on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @11:49AM (#32084368)
I was aware of holding the spacebar and it somewhat works but it is clunky too when having to scroll right on the url. It is not completely broken but it used to be easier, that was my point.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by marapuru on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @04:03AM (#32080096)
Kudos to you. Why was this not explained in iOS...
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by tmm84 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:42PM (#32078070)
I thought I was the only one who felt frustrated with editing parts of copied urls or editing the url in the taskbar. I like to think it's because so many people just copy URLs or enter new ones instead of editing what is there. I believe the use case is that 99% of the people wouldn't have thought to edit them but instead enter a new one or copy it to share so why make editing them a main mode.

As for the albums thing, my mother in law loves that so much. As an elderly lady she loves creating videos of photos taken based on time periods and the like so for her that's a killer feature. I'd be willing to bet that they have this feature on by default because it would require an index to be built if it was re-enabled and showing a blurb about it needing to build up an index is something they didn't want.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by the_only_law on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @10:55AM (#32083585)
Text editing on mobile is a horrendous experience, slightly worse on iOS than Android.

Why the hell did Android switch to a gesture system though. It's so bad. I've been unable to change the volume on a video when volume controls on a web page are too far to the left because the swipe motion triggers the "back" gesture in the browser. Never once have a had isues with the old Android bottom bar or iOS gestures.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by theandrewbailey on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:05PM (#32074960)
Not really. If my phone is locked, I don't expect it to start something (except phone calls) until I unlock it. Stock apps are generally useful, but I don't use my smartphone for long enough periods to get frustrated.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by bergenty on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:43PM (#32076718)
What are you talking about? You want to access apps without unlocking your phone? What a banal post.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by evilbob93 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:28PM (#32076534)
Somewhat off the subject of this post, but I believe we lost something when calling for help stopped being as simple as grabbing at the wall and punching a couple buttons. What are children supposed to do these days to call 911 or 999?
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by Allezxandre on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:02PM (#32076909)
On iOS, just hold the button you would use to turn the phone off, but hold longer, it will loudly count down to 0 and call emergency services. You can also press the side button 5 times and it will call without you having to hold the button pressed. Works on iPhone and Apple Watch.

More info here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208076

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by dankwizard on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:04PM (#32077825)
And as well, if the FaceID doesn't work & the PIN is prompted for, "Emergency" is available in the bottom left.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by jdsully on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:18PM (#32077511)
Press and hold doesn’t work if you have Siri enabled.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by Allezxandre on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @09:54AM (#32082752)
It does, just hold the buttons you would hold to turn the phone off, not the button you would use to trigger Siri.

On FaceID phones that means holding both the Lock and Volume Up buttons.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by the_only_law on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @10:57AM (#32083610)
Funny enough, my current phone is absolute garbage, and I've managed to accidentally call 911 multiple times because the phone will simply fail to render the lock screen at times, but all controls are still active.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by NonNefarious on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:24PM (#32075174)
No. Designers are becoming too dumb to do simple stuff.

Take the iPhone for example. This handheld Unix computer, after a decade and a half, STILL doesn't audibly notify you of missed calls. It's mind-boggling. This was a routine feature on "dumb phones," not to mention answering machines dating back decades.

I mean... for 30 years or more, microwaves have periodically beeped to remind you that you left food in them. But Apple is too dumb to notify you of missed calls.

But what DID they add? Repeatable audible notification of missed TEXTS, on a screen that's otherwise essentially identical to the phone-options screen.

Idiotic.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by Nextgrid on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @05:37PM (#32076002)
Designers aren't dumb (well not for the most part). The problem is that they're optimizing for dumb people, potentially because either their background or current KPIs lead them to optimize for "engagement" as opposed to actual power-user usage.

The problem with optimizing for idiots is that it prevents those idiots from ever learning. Back in the day, idiots might fumble around with power-user features but will eventually become proficient at them if they use them frequently enough - I know many people that I would consider IT "idiots" but they still are very proficient at specific features they use regularly (more than me in fact). If you remove power-user features however, there's no chance for anyone to learn them anymore, so people have no choice but to remain idiots.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by Tagbert on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:16PM (#32077880)
The majority of calls today are “missed calls” in that I do not answer them. My iPhone allows me to automatically send anyone not in my contacts list directly to voicemail. I hear a lot fewer offers for car warranties this way.

As soon as I open my phone, I see a count of missed calls and I can check if any were real. I would not want my phone to make noises to try to attract attention until then.

Perhaps that feature is becoming less useful to people?

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by NonNefarious on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:20AM (#32092994)
Then you wouldn't activate the feature, obviously.

If my 80-year-old parents have an emergency, they're going to CALL ME, not text me. Why the fuck don't I want to know about it?

Let's not excuse straight-up stupidity. And remember, this glaring defect has existed FOR 15 YEARS.

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by gumby on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:59PM (#32075610)
Apple does give you access to this through the control center. The timer option just opens the regular clock app to the timer tab. I use this feature all the time.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by CRConrad on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:05PM (#32076933)
> in Android, it's basically impossible to set a countdown timer if the phone is locked

Yeah, good. That's what locking it is for.

Honestly, WTF are you talking about???

Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by kalox on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:45PM (#32076744)
My Huawei phone allows to start any time-based activities as well as others like Calculator or Recorder by swiping up on the lockscreen, so you just need to look beyond what Samsung and Apple have to offer.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by Jonovono on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:03PM (#32076916)
I think you'd enjoy this read: https://zguide.zeromq.org
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by gardenhedge on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @03:39PM (#32074680)
On my Android phone, I go to Clock -> Timer tab
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by theandrewbailey on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:14PM (#32075048)
You can do that while the phone is locked?
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by gardenhedge on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:33PM (#32100543)
Oh, no. I wouldn't think anyone needs to do that specific thing on the lockscreen.
Re:Are our phones becoming too smart to do dumb stuff? by gravitate on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:55PM (#32075565)
I have a Nokia 105 that I got for £20 on Amazon that I use for an alarm clock!