Your haven't seen them because you've kept to places where they don't exist

Hospitality workers are usually sink or swim. You won't find many people but hard workers there (local or immigrants)

Now of course this ignores the ones that don't work and the cultural clashes that happen with lots of immigrants

Framing everything as "immigration good/bad" is of course the main issue, it's like saying you fix obesity with eating/not eating

See, my exposure is not limited to hospitality because after work I didn’t go to my house in Chelsea. The first few weeks I went to my hostel in Isle of Dogs, Camden and Seven Sisters. Then I a went to my house share in Brixton, Peckham, Kilburn and Lewisham. I changed a lot of places because hostels have 1 week limit and renting is pain in the ars due to catch 22 on proof of address.

I met very large number of people from very different professions. Some unskilled, others blue collar and white collar. I’ve met legal and illegal people.

Where are all those lazy immigrants? Everyone was working.

I also don’t see any point of not working.

Also, the numbers suggest that the immigrants are indeed hard working and contributing more to the system than they take and their per person net contribution is higher that the natives.

What exactly makes you believe that the immigrants don’t work?

Good, that's a more colorful story

You can find the ones that don't work in the same places you find the locals that don't work (not saying it's the majority - and it might be even smaller than local unemployment). Or you can search for statistics around that area.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/mi...

> estimated the net fiscal contribution of EEA migrants in the financial year (FY) 2016/17 at £4.7bn, compared to a net cost of £9bn for non-EEA migrants.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/th...

non-EEA probably means illegal immigrants too. You can’t really contribute into the social security system when you are not allowed to work legally. That doesn’t mean that you don’t contribute to the society through your hard work.

I’ve met people with refugee status who did receive some benefits and worked hard illegally. I’m not going to count them as a cost, they were working in construction jobs, making honest living and not taking the benefits was not an option for them because they would have had to explain how do they sustain themselves. A Palestinian guy that I met who was in this situation is now doing real estate development, now legally since he eventually got a legal status. There are plenty like that.

Do you know how expensive UK is? You can’t have a life on benefits, unless you are rich you have to work.

It doesn’t make any sense to go to UK to spend your life in a room barely being able to buy food using the state benefits.

That last point is always been the way I've seen it - especially here in Australia, the idea that anyone would risk their lives and travel half way across the world in subhuman conditions just to be able to spend their life bumming off social security seems pretty laughable. Indeed they're exactly the sort of people I'd think we need more of in this country, yet neither side of politics is budging from this absurd (and probably illegal) position of not allowing anyone that arrives by boat an option to even apply for asylum on our shores.

Where did the word 'lazy' come from? Or the suggestion immigrants 'don't work'? My comment was about the scale of immigration into the EU/UK (particularly from sub Saharan Africa where Mo Farah/Hussein Abdi Kahin originated).

Ask any immigrant community whether southern Sweden, UK, US wherever about the criminal underworld and you will hear plenty of 'colourful' stories, not least immensely lucrative traffics and smuggling. A lot of hard working illegal immigrants are exploited by these unsavoury types.

#NoTrueExperienceWithImmigrants

At least you're honest with your comment.

I'm sorry, it was actually a complete lie. Aside from having significant experience with immigrants to my home country, I became one myself as an adult. Better luck with your next attempt to argue from lack of experience!