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Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by dataphyte on Monday July 11, 2022 @04:02PM (#32061046)
US colleges foresee a future where they are under attack for being absurdly selective, what some are now calling being "highly rejective". I think they want to avoid being targeted by the fairness wonks anymore than they already are.

Also, US News and World Report rankings have major problems, for instance, the ranking algorithm considers campus aesthetics and food quality, but doesn't account for price, giving schools incentive to raise prices to fund campus improvements that boost rank, in turn boosting applications, in turn reducing % acceptance (the principal indicator of "quality" in US schools). This was how TCU went from a meh christian school to a "selective private college" in just a couple of years. World Report now publishes a "best dollar value" report to account for this, but few read it.

Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by jseliger on Monday July 11, 2022 @05:08PM (#32061887)
The gap between the schools' rhetoric and reality is pretty funny; I was just writing about it the other day: https://seliger.com/2022/07/06/nonprofit-boards-of-directors...:

You can see a lot of hypocrisy that’s uncritically accepted by a lot of organizations, including nonprofits. Exclusionary higher education is a particular notable example, given the soaring rhetoric of “inclusion” spouted by some people involved with higher ed, versus the reality of those same schools seeking to reject as many applicants as possible. Princeton University’s president, Chris Eisgruber, has, for example, blathered extensively about the school’s efforts to “combat systemic racism.” Princeton has a $37 billion endowment. The school’s undergrad acceptance rate is 5.6% and it charges a sticker price of $73,000 a year (yes, the school does accept a handful of token low-income students every year, but that the school’s overall demographics reflect its target: the wealthy). Does that sound like a school devoted to combating systemic racism to you? How can people make these kinds of arguments with a straight face? Colleges and universities are run largely for the benefit of their administrators. The other exclusionary schools are doing the same things, as are their private-school feeders, despite their vigorous marketing to the contrary.

Regarding the above paragraph, let me be clear: describing how something is, is not the same thing as approving of it.

Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by rayiner on Monday July 11, 2022 @05:29PM (#32062144)
It's truly mind-boggling. The Ivies were always bastions for maintaining the position of WASP elites. They still serve that function. Maybe there is a bit more wiggle room about skin color, but they still function to socialize the next generation of people to run WASP institutions like "JP Morgan Chase."
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by lmm on Monday July 11, 2022 @07:42PM (#32063674)
There's nothing inherently white, anglo-saxon or protestant about the oligarchy that these institutions preserve; they will very happily pass on to a new generation of westernised, college-educated liberals of all races and genders but no more variation in thought than the one they replaced. The cultural focus on such ephemera gives them a very useful fig leaf for excluding the demographic that it actually matters to exclude: the working class.
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by rayiner on Monday July 11, 2022 @09:03PM (#32064294)
In this context, “WASP” refers to social status and cultural norms derived from northeastern British and Dutch colonists, but not limited to them. Working class southerners or Appalachians have never been “WASPs” in that sense despite fitting the definition literally.
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by selimthegrim on Monday July 11, 2022 @06:06PM (#32062637)
I guess I must have hallucinated reading all those Stewart Alsop articles about the decline of the WASP Elite then.
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by kart23 on Monday July 11, 2022 @07:20PM (#32063453)
Is that really so wrong though? I'd like to go to a college where the food doesn't suck and the campus is nice. Those are definitely factors that went into my choice. Value was definitely the overwhelming factor in my decision though, I went to a UC.

Also, even the value rankings are mostly just Ivies at the top. Funny enough, my school is in the ~30s for overall rankings, but in the low 100s for value, since they're looking at the out-of-state cost (which for UCs is around 50k vs. 15k in-state), and they include grants, which is extremely variable by individual student. If they looked at the in-state tuition, UCs would dominate the value rankings.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-unive...

Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by WillPostForFood on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @01:57AM (#32066167)
US News rankings considers neither food nor campus aesthetics.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/rank...

Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by pyuser583 on Monday July 11, 2022 @06:29PM (#32062911)
A big problem: admitting too many students actually decrease the number who apply.
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by duk on Monday July 11, 2022 @04:11PM (#32061154)
"the fairness wonks"
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by peanuty1 on Monday July 11, 2022 @04:30PM (#32061385)
> the ranking algorithm considers campus aesthetics and food quality.

wtf

Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by Fomite on Monday July 11, 2022 @07:38PM (#32063636)
Having eaten some absolutely miserable dorm food in my time, I get it.
Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by WillPostForFood on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @01:58AM (#32066168)