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Re:Elon’s Out by bbarnett on Saturday July 09, 2022 @09:05PM (#32040891)
That's criminal, not civil court.

Civil court works on fiscal, property to mitigate damage. If he is found to breach contract, a court could order seizure of assets (cash or property).

There could be punitive damages assessed too, if his actions are seen as purposefully malign.

Re:Elon’s Out by Retric on Saturday July 09, 2022 @09:14PM (#32040961)
Contempt of court is independent of the original cases criminal vs civil distinction.

You can have criminal contempt in a civil case and criminal contempt in a civil case. The rules vary by state but in PA it’s civil contempt is used to force people to comply where criminal is punishment for disobedience.

Re:Elon’s Out by phrz on Saturday July 09, 2022 @09:12PM (#32040942)
Are you under the impression that judges presiding over civil cases cannot exercise their inherent power (in some jurisdictions) to jail those in (severe) contempt of court?
Re:Elon’s Out by bbarnett on Saturday July 09, 2022 @09:29PM (#32041048)
To both replies, I agree contempt of court is a thing. I misspoke.

What I mean is, the remedy for non-compliance with contracts, is fiscal, seizure, penalties of thus nature.

The goal of civil court is not the state punishing, but instead, laying out compensation, for damages, to the harmed.

There is no contempt of court for not paying these damages.

Re:Elon’s Out by z3phyr on Saturday July 09, 2022 @11:09PM (#32041507)
> There is no contempt of court for not paying these damages.

Then how does the civil court function? If nobody follows the courts order, the court is redundantly illegitimate.

Re:Elon’s Out by bbarnett on Sunday July 10, 2022 @05:10AM (#32043042)
There is no ability to not comply. Seizure of assets is handled with financial institutions complying, and with the police backing up court seizures for physical assets.

No one is going to assault a cop, or have their bank shut down due to non compliance.

Where I am, what often happens is the damaged party has papers showing debt owed. It then becomes a colllection issue, sometimes, in some jurisdictions court takes an active role, in others, you have to do the work yourself.

Eg, you have to find their bank, hire a sheriff(the seizure kind), and go get what is now "your stuff".

Re:Elon’s Out by encryptluks2 on Saturday July 09, 2022 @11:08PM (#32041499)
If there was then a lot of America would become slaves by not paying their debts. There may be contempt here though if Elon does something to really piss off the courts.
Re:Elon’s Out by genocidicbunny on Sunday July 10, 2022 @01:16AM (#32042056)
But at that point it's not just non-compliance with a contract, its non-compliance with a court order.