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Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by t_mann on Saturday July 09, 2022 @07:44AM (#32034115)
Sounds like a very unpleasant experience, sorry to hear. But I'm not sure it's a good precedent for this case, for two reasons:

a) You were happy to settle, which sounds understandable. But when the stakes are $44bn and most actors on Twitter's side are but agents for Twitter shareholders, their chief concern will be not breaking their fiduciary duties if they accept anything less than the maximum amount they could get. It's a bit hard to imagine how the legal bills for seeing this through could stack up to even .1% of the purchase price ($440m), and that's nowhere close to the discount that Musk will be looking for (with good reason imho, btw).

b) In your case the other party might have gotten away with dodging a court order to pay (or at least made it appear like that). That's pretty much unfathomable if you are literally the richest man on earth and live in the US.

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by Terretta on Saturday July 09, 2022 @08:02AM (#32034231)
> chief concern will be not breaking their fiduciary duties

Let’s not forget the all the blather from Twitter board and leadership how their fiduciary duty was to not sell to Musk at this price.

Cramer even claimed the board would be personally liable for accepting the deal.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/cramer-twitters-board-has-no...

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by mrtnmcc on Saturday July 09, 2022 @08:19AM (#32034361)
Cramer's advice is a decent guide if you always take the opposite opinion.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by sharker8 on Saturday July 09, 2022 @01:13PM (#32037172)
The Anti Cramer portfolio is not a sufficient contrarian approach, because the Cramer portfolio also underperforms similar to a random walk. Put another way, the opposite of a random walk is another random walk.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by mrtnmcc on Monday July 11, 2022 @02:57PM (#32060219)
Might be able to make an argument based on Regression Towards the Mean and the fact Cramer picks are "extremes".
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by coliveira on Saturday July 09, 2022 @09:24AM (#32034843)
Yes, following that guy it is understandable why he would never be a hedge fund manager for a long time. When it comes to investing he is stupid as a brick.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by belter on Saturday July 09, 2022 @11:29AM (#32035942)
Hedge Fund Managers are also not the brightest flowers:

"The SP 500 Index Out-performed Hedge Funds over the Last 10 Years. And It Wasn’t Even Close": https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-sp-500-index-out-performe...

"How Smart Are the Smart Guys? A Unique View from Hedge Fund Stock Holdings" [PDF]: https://jgriffin.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/smart.pdf

"...Hedge funds exhibit no ability to time sectors or pick better stock styles. Surprisingly, we find only weak evidence of differential ability between hedge funds. Overall, our study raises serious questions about the perceived superior skill of hedge fund managers..."

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by seanp2k2 on Saturday July 09, 2022 @11:56AM (#32036275)
The hedge funds themselves get rich through fees. The investors get robbed. Not sure why anyone still believes in hedge funds.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by bush-bby on Saturday July 09, 2022 @11:37AM (#32036019)
But that’s not the benefit of putting your money in a hedge fund at all, the benefit is hedging against losses, so that you don’t have to worry about losing money when everyone else is.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by dahfizz on Saturday July 09, 2022 @01:38PM (#32037456)
It's literally called a hedge fund, not sure why people would assume they are after the highest & riskiest returns.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by t_mann on Saturday July 09, 2022 @02:55PM (#32038176)
Historically, hedging was the reason when the first such funds launched that allowed them to use a specific regulatory loophole. The name has stuck around much more so than the strategy, though, nowadays there are entire classes of hedge funds that don't necessarily work like that anymore (eg long-only, special situations arbitrage, global macro,...). Nowadays it pretty much just means a specific legal structure, if it means anything at all, since it's become such a widely used term.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by MrMan on Saturday July 09, 2022 @02:06PM (#32037726)
he was a really good hedge fund manager though
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by tyrfing on Saturday July 09, 2022 @01:29PM (#32037361)
> Let’s not forget the all the blather from Twitter board and leadership how their fiduciary duty was to not sell to Musk at this price.

Is there a source for this? I certainly didn't see it. They considered rejecting the offer, and quickly passed a poison pill provision, but that was about preventing buying the company on the open market instead of making a deal like this. The offer was initially only a very short note, and Twitter decided to sell within 3 days of financing being lined up.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001418091/000119312...

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by Hendrikto on Saturday July 09, 2022 @10:56AM (#32035645)
> It's a bit hard to imagine how the legal bills for seeing this through could stack up to even .1% of the purchase price ($440m)

That is 1%, not .1%

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by t_mann on Saturday July 09, 2022 @12:16PM (#32036512)
You're right, my bad.
Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by londons_explore on Sunday July 10, 2022 @05:32AM (#32043153)
> dodging a court order to pay

I'm pretty surprised musk seems to have put himself personally on the line, rather than putting 'musk acquisition project llc' as the party making the offer.

If it was the latter, then everything could be arranged so there was no money in that company to pay for any lawsuits. As the worlds richest man, dividing up your liability like that into many LLC's would seem like a very important thing to do.

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by dragonwriter on Sunday July 10, 2022 @11:12AM (#32045480)
> As the worlds richest man, dividing up your liability like that into many LLC's would seem like a very important thing to do

Unfortunately for Musk, when an LLC is used as a proxy for the single member without real separation, the LL part stops working as anything but (on a matter this size) a small additional speedbump rather than a shield, at the same time, it's even nominal separation makes it harder to make deals than if your hoards of assets were behind them.

Re:Notice of termination of Twitter merger agreement by watwut on Sunday July 10, 2022 @01:15PM (#32046615)
> In your case the other party might have gotten away with dodging a court order to pay (or at least made it appear like that). That's pretty much unfathomable if you are literally the richest man on earth and live in the US.

It is other way around. It is way easier for rich person to get away from dodging courts then poor one. Just the fact that rich person can pay fights and layers longer, and fact that rich has it easier to retaliate so everyone is more careful not to step on their toes or do mistake.