Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy

Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by mcv on Thursday July 07, 2022 @08:15AM (#32013016)

Putin's power in Russia is a lot more absolute than Biden's in the US or Macron's in France. And especially with his war against Ukraine and general hatred of democracy, Putin is relevant. The EU would have had less problems buying gas from Yeltsin's Russia. In fact, that's how we got into this situation; Russia was supposed to be on the road to becoming a normal, open democracy. And then Putin changed course.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by tut-urut-utut on Thursday July 07, 2022 @09:28AM (#32013810)

Demonizing an enemy by personalisation and reduction to one evil dictator is a known propaganda / manipulation technique.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonizing_the_enemy#Personifi...

This has always been a standard operation model for the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...

So yes, Putin's Russia is used intentionally to introduce the same feeling as Hitler's Germany. That's the way how Biden's USA works, supported by Ursula von der Layens EU, Stoltenberg's NATO and their minions.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by dTal on Thursday July 07, 2022 @10:19AM (#32014444)

You might have a point if any of the other people you mention had maintained unchallenged political power for 2 decades by the expedient of murdering their political rivals.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by tut-urut-utut on Friday July 08, 2022 @04:14AM (#32024234)

I am just pointing out that if you use these terms, it frames the whole country in a negative sense.

Would Bush's USA, Clinton's USA, Nixon's USA, Obama's USA or POTUS X' USA work better? Because each one of the US presidents except Trump and Biden (give him some more time) is directly or indirectly responsible for more killing around the world than Putin would ever be. Hundreds of thousands (in case of some presidents even millions) people have been murdered on their direct command. Even if "Putin's Russia" is really responsible for everything that US / NATO propaganda accuses them, they still have a long way to go to reach this levels of atrocities and destruction.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by mcv on Saturday July 09, 2022 @06:16PM (#32039797)

It emphasises the negative effect Putin has on the country. And he does. He's plunging the country and the world into an unnecessary war just to feed his pride, and he does so in a clear break from his predecessor. Putin's Russia is significantly different from Yeltsin's Russia that it's worth pointing out the difference, especially since that difference is all him.

And while you could certainly argue that for example Bush plunged his country into an unnecessary war to feed his pride, you're arguing that he's not that much of a break from his predecessors. And the American people as a whole definitely carry more of that responsibility. That's still a reason to call out Putin specifically, instead of the country as a whole.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by Workaccount2 on Thursday July 07, 2022 @10:12AM (#32014343)

But Putin does have dictator level control...

It's Putin's Russia because Russia does what Putin wants.

Biden wants a lot of things for America but both the legislature and the courts are stopping that. So in that sense it is America's America.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by mcv on Thursday July 07, 2022 @10:43AM (#32014738)

It's done mostly out of compassion with the average Russians who have no say in the matter. I think it's important to remind people that it's specifically Putin who wants this war, and that most Russians don't. Just like we try not to blame the average German for Hitler's mad aggression.

As many people have pointed out, comparisons to Hitler's conquests at the start of WW2 are not unjustified; Putin is using much of the same rhetoric that Hitler used. His state media is actively discussing the need for genocide. Those "same feelings as Hitler's Germany" are because the facts are far too similar.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by google234123 on Thursday July 07, 2022 @01:32PM (#32016898)

> Putin who wants this war, and that most Russians don't.

I don't think we have enough data to say this confidently. Putin enjoys a very broad base of support

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by mcv on Thursday July 07, 2022 @01:39PM (#32016988)

Because he controls the media. There have also been very persistent protests against the war. Russians in a position to speak freely often criticise it. That's not true for the majority of Russians, however.

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Re:Nuclear turn green as EU parliament approves new taxonomy by dragonwriter on Thursday July 07, 2022 @01:37PM (#32016955)

People, including elites in Putin’s inner circle, perceived as insufficiently loyal to Putin have experienced a rash of widely reported “murder-suicides” of their entire families, and others who have avoided that fate have experienced, other very public, severe adverse consequences.

This, along with Russia’s notoriously pervasive secret police and domestic surveillance may have something to do why even “anonymous” polling of Russia finds fairly small numbers of people willing to say they don't support the regime wholeheartedly, independent of actual sentiment.

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