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Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by mrcartmeneses on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @01:23AM (#31997011)
I also reasoned that the trolly would be replaced. But with a newer, less polluting model.

However I did not take into account the CO2 emissions and possible industrial accidents at the trolly factory or trolly materials mines.

Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by thriftwy on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @02:38AM (#31997533)
Almost universally, the most eco friendly trolley (clothes, home) is the one you already have.
Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by red369 on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:53AM (#31999162)
I agree, but interestingly, perhaps not for cars:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/aug/17/car-scra...

Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by m0llusk on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @09:55AM (#32000941)
But not your pool pump. If you have an old pool pump then you should definitely consider replacing it with a modern one as they function better, more reliably, and use far less energy.
Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by cookieswumchorr on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:03AM (#31998834)
with a home, thats not universally true, if its pooorly insulated for example. trolleys, sure, they are all electric, so you can go down to zero emissions if you use green energy sources. Producing them though, metal production still runs with coal today just like in the 19th century
Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by akvadrako on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:24AM (#31998977)
Even if your home is poorly insulated it would take a long time to recoup the (direct and indirect resource) costs of a new home with better insulation.

Taking into account future discounting, it's probably almost never a good idea.

Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by addandsubtract on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @08:17AM (#31999744)
> However I did not take into account the CO2 emissions and possible industrial accidents at the trolly factory or trolly materials mines.

I would argue that it shouldn't factor into the equation. The polluting trolley will be replaced sooner or later, anyway. You're just moving the date forward.

The catch is that the argument could be made every year, with a new, more efficient trolley replacing the previous. In which case the construction costs obviously need to be considered, and it wouldn't be worth to spend 100 CO2 to save 10.

Re:Absurd Trolley Problems by mensetmanusman on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @07:49AM (#31999530)
I took into account the cash for clunkers program which was a huge disaster.