News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jollybean on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:08PM (#31990844)
In TV 'Mr. Big' is usually the 'Showrunner'. Basically the original creators. It's like a form of creative production and management.

For film, the Director is often kind of the version of 'Showrunner'.

If the director was the one doing the pitching, raising the money - they they are that.

If it's a big IP asset, like Star Treck, then it's different, sometimes a team effort.

Like Kathleen Kennedy is the 'Big Honcho' for Star Wars and will have absolutely the 'last word' on everything, directors may not. Directors may have to negotiate their degree of freedom and may really want to avoid those situations where they are 'not in control', and will be forced to 'take notes'.

So 'director', depending on the type of show, does not have to be the most critical thing, it really depends.

Something that's heavily dependent on the quality of the acting, probably the director will matter a lot.

A perfunctory serial, a bit less.

For something so fundamentally institutionalized, like 'The Big Bang Theory' I'll bet you could remove almost any single person, and the gap would be filled in by the others who are all professionals. Like literally a child could direct an episode, because everyone would know 'what to do'.

But yeah, it helps to have a 'core creative team' that has track record of resonance, this way, you have an idea of what you will get.

Cohen Brothers, Villeneuve, Tom Cruise Inc., they use a lot of the same people. So you have less risk.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by logifail on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @02:08PM (#31991654)
> the showrunner

This term seems to have entered common usage quite recently.

Q: Why?

"In United States network television [the showrunner is] typically credited as an executive producer"[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by xsmasher on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @02:22PM (#31991843)
You can't use the terms interchangeably. An "Executive producer" credit may be applied to lots of people who are not the showrunner.

>This credit is given to the showrunner, or the head writer, and is sometimes also given to other important members of the production. These could include the show’s creator if different from the showrunner, other high-level writers (often future seasons’ showrunners), the owner/creator of source material, a show’s star, the star or writer or creator’s manager, a high-level executive or creative type (like Steven Spielberg) influential in the show’s creation, or any other number of people.

>Many TV shows have multiple executive producers, and without knowing the specific situation, it’s hard to say what the individual people do. For instance, a TV show derived from a movie (like “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”), may bring with it Executive Producers from the original film, who have little direct involvement with the show.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by logifail on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @02:30PM (#31991927)
> You can't use the terms interchangeably

Right, but what's the actual definition of the term "showrunner"?

It's "the leading producer", according to the first sentence of that Wikipedia article. Why aren't we talking about the "lead[ing] producer"?

Is the term "showrunner" perhaps just industry jargon that slipped out into the mainstream?

EDIT: Go read through the Wikipedia:Talk page for 'Showrunner'[0], the quote "so much conflicting terminology, contradictions within contradictions" seems pretty apt. An ill-defined and (?) informal position?

Q: Is it just me or are people - particularly journalists - desperate to use terms that make them sound like they're part of the "in" crowd?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Showrunner

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by HWR_14 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @03:02PM (#31992315)
The showrunner is the person responsible for the long-term trajectory and story health of a tv show. It's a real term (Joss Whedon is the showrunner for the Whedon-verse shows), but "leading producer" is not a term, it's an attempt at a description.

The showrunner can also have one of several actual official titles.

To answer the specific question in "Ack", it's a recognition of the person who is day-to-day the final decision maker. They can be overruled from above by executives (the showrunner is not the supreme content creator overlord), but the executives are overseeing a lineup or channel. The showrunner is the one who are making sure the season goes right as a full-time job.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by logifail on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @03:07PM (#31992386)
> It's a real term [..] the showrunner can also have one of several actual official titles

Q: Is "showrunner" an official title, or not?

EDIT: apparently not[0]:

"The highest ranking producer is the showrunner, the man or woman ultimately responsible for the creative direction of the series. Showrunner is a function, not a title — this person is credited as an Executive Producer. In many cases, he or she has “Created by” credit on the series"

[0] https://johnaugust.com/2004/producer-credits-and-what-they-m...

EDIT2: "A showrunner is the unofficial title given to the top-level creative decision maker and manager overseeing all episodes of an individual season of a television/episodic series. The showrunner is usually credited as an executive producer, producer and/or writer. "[1]

[1] https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credi...

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jollybean on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:52PM (#31994718)
You are misrepresenting those definitions a bit. Or they are poorly written.

Showrunner is a thing, TV projects have them. They are the 'nexus' - both creative and a bit operational of the show. Like the 'founder' and 'visionary' of the show. They also kind of 'make the show happen'.

Dan Levy is the 'Showrunner' for Schitt's Creek.

Just type the name of your favorite TV show along with 'showrunner' and you'll see who it is.

Usually will be 'creator' and 'writer'. They will probably get a producer credit. Note that 'showrunner' is generally not a specific kind of 'credit' but that a feature 'credit' isn't really a title either. 'Exec. Producer' can mean anything. Or nothing.

The 'director' in TV is generally less important.

For film, usually the Director kind of plays that role as the lead visionary, especially if they pitched and raised the money, got the team together, got the actors to sign up etc..

Producers are generally not directly creative visionaries.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by deelowe on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:23PM (#31991054)
Am I the only one struggling to understand this? Are 'Mr. Big' and 'Showrunner' references to something specific? Why are these terms in quotes?
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by karaterobot on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @02:02PM (#31991592)
"Mr. Big" and "Head Honcho" are euphemisms for "the person who is actually in charge", or the boss.

"Director" and "Showrunner" are job titles you'd have on your resume. In the case of the showrunner, they're directly involved in day to day stuff. I've heard interviews in which showrunners say their job involves making 500 snap decisions every day: "which fabric swatch should we use? is it worth an extra $80k to film in this location?" that kind of thing. I guess the software equivalent would be a product manager? In Kathleen Kennedy's case, as head of Lucasfilm, she's making big decisions on everything, but likely not micromanaging individual decisions. So, she'd be the CTO or equivalent.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jacobr1 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:42PM (#31994648)
Showrunner isn't a job title though. Most likely the actual title on the resume would most likely be "Executive Producer".
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jollybean on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:45PM (#31994664)
Showrunner is definitely job. It's something you put on your resume.

'Executive Producer' is just a credit, it doesn't mean anything really. A powerful actor participating in a film, might get an exec prod. credit, not for doing anything at all.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jowday on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:25PM (#31991089)
He’s putting those in quotes because they’re generally not formal positions that are explicitly credited, but are informal phrases referring to whoever has final creative control over a series.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by deelowe on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:32PM (#31991183)
That sounds like it's all a bit made up then...
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by cygx on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:56PM (#31991512)
Showrunners are a thing. See eg https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hollywood+repor... for some stories from the trenches.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jowday on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:38PM (#31991280)
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by deelowe on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:01PM (#31994299)
So these are real terms then...
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jowday on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:16PM (#31990945)
Sure - the MCU uses a lot of TV directors for example - since it functions more like a TV show than a auteur-driven series of films.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by jollybean on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @07:16PM (#32008081)
The creative elements in MCU films are (mostly) not director-driven, they are franchise-driven. You need a 'good' director and a 'good' script, with 'good' and 'famous' actors, from there, so long as the creative leads are professional and the budget is there, you're good.

I believe that DC suffers from bad creative direction and bad scripts. Most of the rest is workable.

Star Wars suffers from bad stories/scripts and Kathleen Kennedy interference politics.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by asdajksah2123 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @03:54PM (#31992900)
And because it's a lot cheaper.