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Re:Mendon, Missouri by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday July 04, 2022 @11:17AM (#31977945)
Pretending that there's a compromise just floating out there that if we could just get "the extremes" out of the way, would be embraced by all, is a rosy but ultimately utterly false fantasy.

There are very, very different views about the role of government and religion in this country, very different takes on morality, responsibility, and lots more. These are not resolvable via compromise. If things are relatively good economically, people can generally agree to disagree. When things are not so good financially (e.g. after 30+ years of the destruction of the American manufacturing sector and wholesale movement of capital and labor offshore), this becomes much, much less easy.

The answer to "Can't we all just get along" is, fundamentally, "No, unless we're all doing so well that we don't have to care".

Re:Mendon, Missouri by logifail on Monday July 04, 2022 @11:59AM (#31978506)
> There are very, very different views about the role of government and religion in this country, very different takes on morality, responsibility, and lots more. These are not resolvable via compromise.

I spent a lot of my time telling my three kids they have to learn to compromise [with each other!], since the alternatives are much, much worse.

Q: What's the plan for reconcilling "very, very different views" if one is not going to compromise?

Re:Mendon, Missouri by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday July 04, 2022 @01:24PM (#31979582)
There is no plan. These things get resolved by some combination of:

1. civil war 2. political power (domination) 3. secession 4. overwhelming economic prosperity

Re:Mendon, Missouri by logifail on Monday July 04, 2022 @02:09PM (#31980109)
> These things get resolved by some combination of: 1. civil war 2. political power (domination) 3. secession [snip]

Umm, there would appear to be a fair bit of collateral damage in those first three. Are you sure you're going to end up on the winning side?

Compromise is healthy. Maybe you should reconsider.

Re:Mendon, Missouri by stevetodd on Monday July 04, 2022 @12:02PM (#31978545)
Being a pessimist is easy and lazy. You don’t have to lift a finger. Things can actually get better and do when people believe it and do even just a little bit.
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Re:Mendon, Missouri by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday July 04, 2022 @11:49AM (#31978392)
Your comment suggests that there's "65%" of the country that just wants to get along. I'm disputing that.
Re:Mendon, Missouri by Clubber on Monday July 04, 2022 @12:01PM (#31978530)
>When things are not so good financially (e.g. after 30+ years of the destruction of the American manufacturing sector and wholesale movement of capital and labor offshore), this becomes much, much less easy.

Neither of the political parties are doing anything other than lip service to entice jobs back. Trump was the only one to really bring it up in probably 40 years, and he was lambasted.

>Your comment suggests that there's "65%" of the country that just wants to get along. I'm disputing that.

Based on what? There are only a few wedge issues, I think aside from those, most people aren't that far off, even on the issues they are passionate about. The biggest impediment is that the political parties are both extremely economically conservative.

Re:Mendon, Missouri by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday July 04, 2022 @12:31PM (#31978881)
Bernie Sanders and others associated with the DSA have been raising the impact of trade and global financial treaties for decades. Hell, even Ross Perot made "the giant sucking sound" that NAFTA would create a center piece of his campaign. Trump never proposed anything at all that would have addressed the impacts, and hence was lambasted over this. "I will bring back <dying industry>" and then doing precisely nothing (often because there's nothing that could be done) is solid grounds for ridicule.

There may only be a "a few" wedge issues, but they concern the fundamentals of how a society is run and organized. To name just a few in no particular order:

role of redistribution in the economy / role of religion in public education (and education and public life more widely) / whether or not life begins at conception and the moral consequences of one's answer / how much (if any) foreign military intervention / the importance of a mammoth response to climate change / the extent of and response to systemic discrimination in historical and present day society / individual responsibilities during public health emergencies / the roles and responsibilities of for-profit corporations in society / ...

People do not agree about these things, nor will they.

Re:Mendon, Missouri by grumpitron on Monday July 04, 2022 @11:56AM (#31978474)
A reasonable person reading your comment could infer that the “other 65%” of Americans are all in agreement on something, and the reply simply disagreed.

Sometimes when there is a misunderstanding of the writer’s intent, it is an issue with the clarity of the writing and not an issue with the reader.

Re:Mendon, Missouri by realo on Monday July 04, 2022 @12:01PM (#31978522)
Your “Trump nationalists” is a bit too indulgent for what they really are.

Try “Trump’s gang of domestic terrorists” instead, for what they actually are and/or represent.

Then what you call “the middle” suddenly takes on a very different , much less reasonable look.