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Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by kenbolton on Saturday July 02, 2022 @07:01AM (#31957955)
The only thing to which you are entitled–by definition–is access to the source. It is your responsibility to verify what the source does.

The "getting paid" notion is off-topic and has nothing to do with the source being open. If I provide commercial support for someone and implement a solution using open source software, I am the one providing the support and I have no expectation that the original authors will hold my hand.

Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by mirekrusin on Saturday July 02, 2022 @08:57AM (#31958627)
You're not even entitled to have access to the source.

If repository is down or if you don't know how to use git and demand updates being sent to you as zip files on your email - your demands mean nothing, you are not entitled to be given access to the source code.

You have _permission_ to use it in some license limited way and that's all.

If you _use_ open source code (ie. as part of your product), you may be _required_ to also provide source code, attribution etc.

Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by jeroenhd on Saturday July 02, 2022 @09:48AM (#31958955)
That depends on the licence, though. GPL3 requires that obtaining a license should not be harder than obtaining the binary distribution. If you use some kind of obscure version control system for your source code but link the binaries in your website, you're entitled to the source code in a similarly easy way.

The developer could exercise their rights and insist on sending you a DVD with the source code on it (and make you pay for materials+shipping) but throwing up difficult burdens is clearly forbidden by the GPL.

Some more extreme licenses grant you, as a user and as a developer, a lot of rights, but also a lot of burdens. I don't think the stricter ideological licenses such as GPL are used much by people who distribute their own code and then decide to make life difficult for their users, though. It's likely that the only cases where this rings true are people relying on GPL code that then want to avoid fulfilling their obligations to their customers.

Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by mirekrusin on Sunday July 03, 2022 @01:31PM (#31969374)
Yes, but please don't conflate licensee with licensor - we're discussing authors' right to ignore users' demands.
Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by kazinator on Saturday July 02, 2022 @12:26PM (#31960350)
Most free software licenses don't concern themselves with use, except that they may make it clear that use is not restricted in any way. A license that restricts use in any way is probably not free.

> you are not entitled to be given access to the source code.

If you're the user of a binary image someone spun from a GNU licensed program, actually you are entitled to that, if it is the Affero license (AGPL), you may be entitled to source code access even if you just use the thing as an online service. Specifically, you're entitled to access to the source code of the modified version that you're actually using.

> If you _use_ open source code (ie. as part of your product), you may be _required_ to also provide source code, attribution etc.

That's redistribution. If you redistribute some kinds of open source code in a product, you may have to provide source code, and that's even if that code is never called. The presence of that code in the image is the key thing, not whether it is used. Use occurs on the target system, by the end user.

Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by mirekrusin on Sunday July 03, 2022 @01:39PM (#31969444)
We're talking about copyright holder/author's right to ignore user's demands to accept amendments/contributions.

If you're an author of a library you have the right to not accept contributions, stop working on it or delete it from github.

Re:Open source is not about you (2018) by kazinator on Sunday July 03, 2022 @09:07PM (#31972465)
That "we" which refers to "you" may be talking about that; I'm talking about nothing other than the claim that users have no entitlements of any kind whatsoever.