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Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by ekianjo on Saturday July 02, 2022 @05:42AM (#31957565)
> But that's not sustainable -

100 years ago people were saying we would all die from starvation after a few billion more people. Doom sayers have zero credibility.

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by grapeskin on Saturday July 02, 2022 @05:46AM (#31957582)
Yes, that was before we manufactured fertilizer. If that invention didn't exist, this number absolutely wouldn't be sustainable.

Soil is now becoming depleted and fertilizer isn't enough.[1] Globally, much also depends on rapidly depleting ground water that isn't being replenished. Agriculture is exceeding its limits.

[1] https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment-and-conserv...

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by j245 on Saturday July 02, 2022 @05:59AM (#31957643)
We will come up with a way to “fix” that (if it’s even a problem), as we have done in the past.

Why ignore human ingenuity ?

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by grapeskin on Saturday July 02, 2022 @06:09AM (#31957680)
Humans thought they'd find a fix for their problems before, so nothing to worry about.

A lot of those people died because no fix was found in their lifetimes. Nobody fixed the plagues that went around Europe. Nobody fixed the droughts that killed millions. Entire civilizations went extinct because they weren't able to find a fix before a problem caught up with them.

A lot of problems won't have a fix within our lifetime. Thinking it's guaranteed to happen is magical thinking--assuming we're the main characters in the universe and things must work out. Most of the time, they don't.

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by j245 on Saturday July 02, 2022 @06:22AM (#31957755)
Yet here we are.. having a discussion about whether too many humans are surviving for too long.
Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by grapeskin on Saturday July 02, 2022 @06:33AM (#31957803)
And yet here the Aztec aren’t.

Living today doesn’t guarantee living tomorrow.

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by j245 on Saturday July 02, 2022 @06:52AM (#31957904)
I don’t think anyone is arguing that specific groups will survive no matter what.

The discussion is around whether the human race will survive and continue to grow.

As you may have noticed, population numbers have increased since the days of the Aztecs.

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by ekianjo on Saturday July 02, 2022 @09:52AM (#31958976)
> Yes, that was before we manufactured fertilizer. If that invention didn't exist, this number absolutely wouldn't be sustainable.

Hence proving the fact that we have no good insight of the future.

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by nivenkos on Saturday July 02, 2022 @05:44AM (#31957576)
And that was offset by the Green Revolution.

The current fertiliser shortages might undo some of that, there's a real chance we see severe famines in Lebanon, Egypt, Sri Lanka, Yemen, and other countries next year.

Re:World Population Clock: 7.96B People (2022) by mytailorisrich on Saturday July 02, 2022 @05:45AM (#31957578)
What do you think is the cause of the global environmental crisis?