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Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by smoldesu on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:51AM (#31921884)
No, it means there will be even worse touchscreens because now automakers can't afford silicon that might actually power a tablet.
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by googlryas on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:41PM (#31922556)
That's scary - I have a < 1 yr old Tesla model Y and it is embarrassing how underpowered the tablet that controls basically every part of the car is.
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by LegitShady on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:56PM (#31923559)
Tesla's have pretty responsive displays.

The last vehicle I bought, I turned down several vehicles because many of the internal environmental controls were through a touchscreen, and the touchscreen was so slow and bad I was honestly astonished that they were selling it.

The salesman tried to downplay it but I still walked out of the ford dealership 100% because of their shitty controls/touchscreen.

Ended up buying a car with old fashioned buttons and knobs, much happier.

Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by smoldesu on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:43PM (#31922592)
FWIW, Tesla is one of the few companies that actually put decent processors in their cars: in lieu of a cruddy, off-the-shelf ARM CPU, they use Intel (and more recently, Ryzen) x86-based machines. Their performance relative to the Cortex processors running in competitors is enormous, it must be slow due to the volume of processes Tesla is actually running onboard.
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by waste_monk on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:40PM (#31927840)
Isn't one of the big problems with Tesla vehicles that they use COTS hardware?

I'm sure I saw something about how they used commercial-grade touch screen instead of automotive grade, so they feel far nicer / more responsive than other cars but fail much faster as they aren't designed to handle repeated heating/cooling cycles that cars experience.

Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by formerkrogemp on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:48PM (#31923459)
I don't need my car to drive itself with technology that doesn't work and requires me, pedestrians, cyclists, and other drivers as test subjects. I don't need my car to be powerful enough to compute simulations of the Earth's atmosphere. I just want a basic fucking car with good enough safety features. This fetishization of shoving chips into every square centimeter is ridiculous. I want to use my computer and drive my car, not drive my computer with all of the attendant software issues that'll inevitably crop up.
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by awestroke on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:02PM (#31922051)
How can they not afford a 300 dollar tablet in a 40k dollar car?
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by digikata on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:53PM (#31922734)
A $300 tablet drops support in 90days to a year. A $300 tablet equivalent in a car has a trailing maintenance requirement for service and parts for years (5-10?)
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by PeterisP on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:32AM (#31947841)
A 300 dollar tablet dies quickly in the automotive environment with outdoors-like variation in temperature and humidity. Tablet manufacturers literally write in their product sheets "do not leave the device in a car or it may get damaged"; if you leave an iPad in direct sun for a month and it dies, it's expensive for you, if the same happens to a car console, that's expensive for the manufacturer which has to repair it under warranty.

The temperature range for iPad listed by Apple is 0 to +35 C for operation and -20 to +45 C for storage. The required temperature range for electronics on automotive dashboards (which may be exposed to direct sun) is -40 to 90 C, which effectively requires different materials, which means you can't even reuse most components.

Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by replygirl on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:20PM (#31922269)
assuming you're selling 5 million of a part where the previous generation is 5-10 years old, $1.5 billion is not a lot of money for development, validation, materials, manufacturing, logistics, dealer training, integration with future models, and a decade of OTA updates
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by MichaelZuo on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @08:12PM (#31927308)
Because it becomes a $3000 tablet, in today's chip-shortage environment, to meet certification for automotive use.
Re:TSMC to customers: It's time to stop using older nodes an... by drcongo on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:54AM (#31921930)
Oh damn. Thanks.