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Re:Thunderbird 102 by cardanome on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @03:42AM (#31917484)
> Thunderbird is finally paying attention to the UI side of things

I wish they would not. I don't want any UI changes on my email client. Ever. It is one of my most important tools for work, so I don't want to tolerate anything that breaks or changes my workflow.

I am super happy user of thunderbird but if they keep doing this "modernizing" thing I will have to switch to a more stable mail client (after my current version that I never plan on updating breaks that is).

Re:Thunderbird 102 by elric on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:59AM (#31917856)
I'm fine with little UI tweaks. I'm not a fan of how the UI is becoming "flatter" with every release, and I wish they had toggles for some of the more questionable features (like those recipient bubbles which can't be easily edited, or the absolutely inane treatment of TO/CC/BCC).
Re:Thunderbird 102 by vnkr on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:01AM (#31917572)
If you don't want your software to change, don't update it. The way Thunderbird looks and the messages list is a large part of it is horrendous and is a deal breaker for me, for example.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by tux2bsd on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:20AM (#31917666)
> don't update it

It is an application that receives content from the Internet, your advice is dreadful. Email is a primary vector for exploitation.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by vnkr on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:27AM (#31919803)
Correct. And also customer needs, UI technologies, the way people use apps and services change. So it's all right for apps to change as well.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by tux2bsd on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:42PM (#31952567)
It's alright if the UI isn't made worse.

The modern example of fuckhead UI changes. Changing settings without having to click apply and/or OK. Changing from the "cog" icon to those three idiotic bars (hamburger?).

Interfaces are often used by people who are not IT savvy. The simplest of UI changes can mess their decade(s) old patterns of usage, the elderly are the easiest example of users affected by this. It not just their individual problem, those people then reach out for help which can be at considerable personal financial expense.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by hammyhavoc on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:47PM (#31927141)
Shouldn't mailservers and desktop AV be doing the heavy lifting on this front and blocking known exploits?
Re:Thunderbird 102 by tux2bsd on Thursday June 30, 2022 @04:45AM (#31930089)
For your purposes I'll keep it simple and just say "about 99.9% yes". Trust the word of a seasoned veteran - keep email clients, browsers and OSes up to date.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by StuffMaster on Thursday June 30, 2022 @12:57PM (#31935330)
I really do pray that this "modern", "flat" craze is just a fad.

I dream of a future when normal interfaces and drop-down menus return.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by hammyhavoc on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:46PM (#31927135)
How about an option? Just like the new UI changes, they're all configurable, and ultimately if you don't want to use them, you don't have to.