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Re:Thunderbird 102 by pkulak on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:40PM (#31915472)
And what percent of users use iCal, carddav and imap? Matrix is the most popular open chat protocol. Seems like your angling for Exchange and Slack support. Yeah, no thanks.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by Dan_Sylveste on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:55PM (#31915563)
>And what percent of users use iCal, carddav and imap?

Thunderbird users? I'd say ~100% of them use imap, probably ~75% of them use calendaring. I don't know whether Thunderbird uses ical or imap-type calendars behind the scenes but it works with gmail, zimbra and apple type shared/hosted calendars which account for basically ~100% of the non-exchange type calendars in common use. It probably supports exchange-type calendars too though I've never tried that.

I'd wager less than ~2% of TB users use a non-slack non-discord non-irc chat.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by pmontra on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @10:40PM (#31915847)
I use only SMTP and POP3, no calendar. Chat: Slack (work) and WhatsApp plus Telegram.

I think that TLS is the only new protocol level feature I'm using compared to 30 years ago. Anything else is in the UI and keeping the software compatible with new versions of the OS.

What was I using back then? Some emacs mail client with filters I wrote in elisp. I got my current folder structure started in emacs (roughly one folder per person and customer) and kept it through all the moves to Eudora, Netscape's mail client and Exchange Express until I landed to Thunderbird (desktop) and K9 (phone, much later on.) Work email was on Exchange when I was an employee, always separated from personal email.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by Dan_Sylveste on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @10:44PM (#31915879)
>POP3

Which works so well across multiple devices, which is a very very common use-case for email. Either you have some homebrew sync going on or you have a very simple email use-case.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by pmontra on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @02:32AM (#31917123)
I check mail on my phone with K9 (configured to leave messages on server,) possibly answer BCCing myself and eventually download mail forever on my laptop and remove from server.

My 35 years experience with email: I don't need to read old messages when I'm not at my computer. I never did before 2011 (first Android phone) and nothing changed after then. I can easily figure jobs that need constant access to the complete email archive. Not my one.

And I don't need mail on tablets and my old phone. I've got my main phone always with me, but the setup would be the same.

One reason it works for me could be that communication moved increasingly from email to messaging platforms and those are on my phone, except Slack which is confined to work boundaries. However I feel like I can lose all of WhatsApp and Telegram messages with no harm. I already lost a few years of WhatsApp and nothing happened. Who cares about conversations of 3 years or 3 days ago. It's mostly nearly unsearchable trash. And everybody else and I never had a verbatim trace of any IRL conversations for million of years, so they could be nice to have feature but not an important one.

But I'm doing my best not to lose mail. The long term important messages are in there.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by ungamedplayer on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @10:02PM (#31915619)
I dont want my mail client eating 4GB of ram just to get chat notifications.. Thank you thunderbird!
Re:Thunderbird 102 by Zash on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:48PM (#31915522)
> Matrix is the most popular open chat protocol

[citation needed]

Re:Thunderbird 102 by ajdude on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @10:17PM (#31915707)
Maybe I’m in living in the past but I would’ve thought it was IRC
Re:Thunderbird 102 by pkulak on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:27AM (#31916499)
I just looked up Matrix and IRC in Wikipedia. One was 28 million (and those are only the servers that opt in to reporting), and one was 371,000.

Maybe Jabber has more? But I doubt it.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by solar-ice on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:07AM (#31916680)
Matrix doesn’t report daily active users. IRC only reports people who are connected right this moment. Those are two entirely different numbers.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by feanaro on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @02:38AM (#31917153)
> Matrix doesn’t report daily active users

It does, if you opt in.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by solar-ice on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @08:33AM (#31919266)
Can you show me where to opt in, and where this is documented? The only stats I can find that are close to the number provided are for total registered users.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by rrix2 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @03:26AM (#31917412)
I'd guess that many of those irc users connect through a matrix service these days
Re:Thunderbird 102 by zaik on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:43AM (#31918811)
I wouldn't be so sure. If you create a Matrix account and join an IRC channel, your username[m] will never leave the channel, even if you never use Matrix again. I made a few test accounts and it was rather difficult to figure out how leave IRC channels properly if you decide not to use Matrix anymore.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by Arathorn on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @08:06AM (#31919009)
If you part the matrix room, you’ll part the IRC channel.

You can also disconnect from IRC entirely from the bridge admin room.

Finally, if someone joins a channel via Matrix and then disappears without parting or disconnecting, then after 30d we’ll boot them off IRC anyway.

Re:Thunderbird 102 by Dan_Sylveste on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:54AM (#31916632)
IRC was 28 million, I take it?
Re:Thunderbird 102 by feanaro on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @02:37AM (#31917147)
Nope, it's Matrix. IRC is dying.
Re:Thunderbird 102 by lproven on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @05:18AM (#31917958)
> Matrix is the most popular open chat protocol.

[[Citation needed]]

Re:Thunderbird 102 by saberience on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @08:32AM (#31919254)
Why do we even need chat in an email app? It just adds bloat and slowness for not discernible reason. This is why I WONT be using apps like Thunderbird any time soon.