Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security

Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by lenkite on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:14PM (#31897599)

"Get FF or some other browser a healthy market share first"

Why ? Open up the platform first.

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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by Jcowell on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:22PM (#31898546)

One would say it would be disastrous to open a platform first and then take on Chrome because

1) Firefox cannot compete against Google endless resources m. Google will win, not a matter of it but will.

2) The time it takes to decouple chrome from google will be too long. It may just kill Firefox before any action can really be done.

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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by lamontcg on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:33PM (#31898709)

Yeah I don't see why this math is so hard.

If you force Apple to open up iOS then Chrome just takes it over and Safari will take such a hit that Apple will probably have to kill it. Then Google will own 99% of the portal to the web.

I think I'm arguing with a bunch of Libertarians though who think that an unregulated market is some kind of magic sauce that will conjure up a Chrome competitor out of thin air, and not a recipe for monopolization.

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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by depressedpanda on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:41PM (#31900505)

Why are you so certain that Apple will have to kill Safari if Chrome and other browsers are allowed on iOS?

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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by lamontcg on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:56PM (#31900682)

Because Chrome will instantly start to out compete it. And once Safari is pushed down below 25% share on iOS then sites will feel more and more free to avoid testing on Safari and push users towards just using Chrome. Not having two different engines to have to test against means that even more the web becomes something that works on Chromium by default and is totally broken on Gecko. That makes FF even worse, and Google will totally control Chromium and the engine that browsers like Edge and Brave work on top of and will be able to dictate (in the "dictator" sense of that word) what the engine does (and while they might be somewhat responsive to Microsoft, they won't be to Brave). And we already won the battle to keep Windows from tying the browser to the O/S on windows and watched while we lost the war and Google completely took the engine over. Cracking open iOS is going to let Google take over that platform as well, it isn't going to make life any better for Gecko or any other alternative engine.

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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by ImPostingOnHN on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @04:38PM (#31912721)

How much cash does Apple have?

How much would it cost for them to fund firefox development to make it a stronger competitor?

Okay, Apple: do that. Also open up the walled gardens. You can make it a setting if you want to keep the beginner computer users safe.

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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by lenkite on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @07:42AM (#31906465)

Let Apple permit the use of OSS browsers with their native rendering engines - problem solved. Will they do this ? I guess not because it means their native app development is threatened.

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