Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by tarentel on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:19AM (#31895780)

It really shouldn't be. It doesn't take long or much effort to send a quick boilerplate email saying they're not hiring you.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by spoonjim on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:31PM (#31896947)

It shouldn't be, but it is. So the lesson when a company ghosts you shouldn't be one of personal insult (although it's hard to avoid that feeling), it should be "that company is poorly led and/or managed."

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by Clubber on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:37AM (#31896063)

Yes, this has been going on since at least the early 2000s. It's really a dumb thing to do for the hiring company, particularly if there is more than a few days of contact. The person they want to hire just assumes they are being ghosted and immediately starts looking for additional opportunities, which equates to more competition for the hiring company.

Had the original company stayed in contact, or it was common practice to stay in contact wether it's a hire or no hire, the hiring companies wouldn't have to deal with the extra competition created by no contact.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by mathverse on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:20PM (#31896772)

It is especially bad cuz i sent a follow up email asking them about the status etc. no reply whatsoever

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by mateo411 on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:44PM (#31898022)

You probably don't want to work at a company that behaves that way.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by akhmatova on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:00PM (#31896440)

You should expect a large number of companies to ghost you. It's just part of the process.

I would say no - it's not part of the "process". Every company swears they are against ghosting (and are "shocked" when it gets publicly exposed), but they all keep doing it anyway. It's a reflection of the cynical, emotionally immature nature of this industry.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by Uptrenda on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:06PM (#31898319)

What's depressing as hell is when you first start searching for a job and you've put in a massive effort yet for like ~a week you get no responses. It really kills moral. But usually then all the replies come in a deluge and you wonder why you were ever worried to begin with. Job searching is a legit emotional roller coaster, lmaoo.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by akhmatova on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:14PM (#31900163)

And the irony is -- they suddenly think you're "hot" because you're getting competing offers (or competing invites to do 7 or 8 rounds of culture fit interviews and/or LC grinding, in any case). Which is another way for them to say: "Actually we really don't know how to evaluate these candidates, so instead we rely on random externalities, like the number of other interviews they're having this particular week."

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by Uptrenda on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:28PM (#31900331)

Agreed. I also find it problematic that you have no control over the schedule of when the interviews start, when offers are made, how long companies might wait. E.g. if you have offers and you're still interviewing do you tell those companies to wait? If so - might they consider it a lack of interest? Possibly too much competition to waste further time on you with? Do you risk making them wait too long and rescinding an offer? idk... i wish there was a guide on how to handle this crap based on actual research. I've read from a recruiter not to indicate you have other offers at all because they're likely just to say to take them and not to proceed further. There are so many aspects of hiring that seem unknown.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by akhmatova on Monday June 27, 2022 @05:30PM (#31901098)

You do have control, actually -- you can always say things like "Sorry, but the number of weeks / rounds does not seem to be in line with the TC being offered", knowing that this carries a moderate-to-high risk of rejection. Or if that is too blunt for your style -- you can always politiely excessive rounds of LC, interviews that start before 9 a.m. in your time zone, or (one of favorites) interviews with people who expect you to have your camera on while they have theirs off.

Or any of the other tokens of gratuitous unpleasantness, carelessness and plain one-sided-ness that these companies routinely rub in our faces, as if we're desperate to work for them.

It just depends how much FY money you're sitting on at the moment. Like anything else in this industry.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by ipaddr on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @01:23AM (#31904387)

At this point they spent money on ads, have filtered most candidates and spent countless hours/money interviewing you. You not accepting is a setback where they might have to redo the process costing even more. A delay is acceptable to most, even a slight salary increase request.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by JasserInicide on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:37AM (#31896072)

It's just ridiculous though. It's a shitty trend that's filtered down from social/dating applications. A decade ago, I always got a follow-up rejection email. Sometimes it took months from bigger companies but it still came. Today: more often than not you're just ghosted.

Milliennials now being in positions of power are 100% to blame for this. They see no difference between the conversation with a job candidate and that of the girl you fucked last week.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by marcus_holmes on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:54AM (#31896339)

I think it's more the trend of companies being scared of litigation. They can't be sued for discrimination if they never actually turned you down.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by teeceetime2 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:53AM (#31907680)

Serious question - Isn't the company opening themselves up to more litigation by ghosting? For instance, doesn't a hiring company have to have a legitimate reason for not hiring someone, otherwise they're opening themselves up to a discrimination lawsuit? "Because you gave me no reason as to why you didn't hire me, I'm now left to believe it was based it was on my ethnicity, which is illegal. So here's a lawsuit."

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by marcus_holmes on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:04AM (#31921182)

I'm not a lawyer, just an MBA. But I believe it's the same principle as the famous "Shut The Fuck Up" advice for talking to cops. You have to incriminate yourself to be liable. If you don't say anything then you're presumed innocent (barring other evidence), and saying anything does you no favours.

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Re:Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking? by willcipriano on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:39PM (#31898787)

That's just an excuse for bad behavior. "We are going in another direction" isn't going to get you sued any more than radio silence will.

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