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Re:DevOps is a failure by littlestymaar on Sunday June 26, 2022 @06:45PM (#31888830)
There's a reason people end up doing plain ops and calling it devops: it's often too costly to handle this as “a task that should be done by the developers”.

Specialization makes people much more productive, because they face the same kind of issues over and over and know how to fix them quickly. When you distribute the load in your organization, everybody is going to face problems, struggle, learn and never reuse that knowledge again.

Re:DevOps is a failure by drpyser22 on Sunday June 26, 2022 @07:12PM (#31888996)
Developers should have some grasp of ops work, and be able to deal with some ops-related issues, and take part of the design of the ops-side of the software delivery, so as to make sure the infra and deployment workflow they deal with works for them.

But yes it makes sense to me to still have people specialized in ops and infra in teams, collaborating with developers.

Basically, instead of having developers doing everything or just developing and throwing code out to an ops team, we should have developers educated in operations, working in teams with at least one operation specialist (or "DevOps engineer"). That way, you should end up with infra, deployment workflow that really works for the team and is optimized for the needs of the team.

Re:DevOps is a failure by lincler on Sunday June 26, 2022 @07:57PM (#31889223)
Exactly. It's not about making developers to do more work, it's about having some "DevOps engineer" or Ops/Infra guy working close with the Dev team, by being involved on the day to day development and decision making. Instead of having to open tickets and waiting X time for it to be resolved by the Infra team (who by the way, a lot of time doesn't fully understand the applications, it's constrains, tech debts, needs, etc).