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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by voisin on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:48AM (#31862889)
If I understand correctly, it now devolves to the states where elected people make the laws that apply.

So the issue is really what the hell is wrong with the states where the people elected feel empowered to take rights away from half their populace.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by brycewray on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:52AM (#31862996)
> So the issue is really what the hell is wrong with the states where the people elected feel empowered to take rights away from half their populace.

As I just said in my chosen Mastodon instance:

“Ever since today’s Supreme Court decision was leaked, some have said that this oddly might hurt the Republicans in future elections — i.e., they’ll no longer have Roe v. Wade to use against the Democrats. However, this ignores what made today possible: the power of the Christian Right, particularly those whose votes won’t be erased by some currently running for office on promising to make it harder for anti-Rightists to vote (or have their votes count).”

Those of you who don’t have a lot of exposure to that culture, and the way it has completely taken over a good chunk of American politics — not to mention one of the two major U.S. political parties — in the last forty-plus years, will find today a shock. And wait ’til you see what else they have in mind.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by mywittyname on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:08AM (#31863367)
It's pretty clear that the country is in for near-total Republican control of the federal government for a long time now, maybe indefinitely.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by mistrial9 on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:10AM (#31863422)
some papers claim that 24% of American voters are Catholics-or-similar at this time
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by PathOfEclipse on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:58AM (#31863133)
Won't pro-lifers still vote for Republicans in order, to, you know, legislate pro-life laws? All this decision does is place the issue back in the hands of the legislative branch, where it should always have been. Now, it's up to you to vote for what you want.

Of the following two forces, the Christian right and the atheist Marxist left, I promise you the latter is far more shocking, dangerous, and self-destructive to America.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by generj on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:59PM (#31866675)
Remind me which side recently had a coup?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by PathOfEclipse on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:24PM (#31868835)
Remind me which side calls for violent overthrow of existing institutions as a foundational belief? Hint: it's not the Christian right.

Remind me which side is threatening supreme court justices right now? That looks an awful lot like insurrection: https://news.yahoo.com/protesters-descend-amy-coney-barrett-...

Remind me which side is planning to engage in acts of domestic terrorism this very weekend? https://aleteia.org/2022/06/24/department-of-homeland-securi...

And if you say something like, "these people don't represent us," You can probably guess I'll respond: the small number of men who rioted at the capitol without any actual realistic plan to perform a coup don't represent us either.

Leftist activists, unfortunately, are much smarter about what it takes to really overthrow a government, and they've been in it for the long haul for almost a century now.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by generj on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:13PM (#31871120)
Oh I’m sorry did the protestors at Amy Barret’s house break in and smear feces on the walls? No, they just peacefully assembled? Yeah that isn’t an insurrection by any means.

People loudly protest all the time, that isn’t the same thing as “domestic terrorism” even if some property gets damaged or relatively few people get hurt. By that definition the civil rights movement would have been domestic terrorism. You know what is domestic terrorism? Firebombing abortion clinics and murdering doctors like some “Christian” right members have done.

Frankly the people who stormed the Capital are a sideshow. The real coup was directed from the highest seats of government to prevent the peaceful transition of power, and the mob was merely a minor part of the plan. The real action was in getting Pence out and selecting alternate electors illegally sent.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by PathOfEclipse on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:24PM (#31871198)
Are you actually serious?

The protestors were breaking the law: https://www.aei.org/op-eds/protesting-at-justices-homes-is-i...

"it is unlawful to protest near a “residence occupied or used by [a] judge, juror, witness, or court officer” with the intent of influencing “the discharge of his duty,”"

What they were doing clearly amounts to intimidating the justices, including by putting them in harm's way by announcing their home addresses on the Internet.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/insurrection-politics

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

What they are doing is illegally engaging in rebellion against authority. It is insurrection.

I also can't believe you are calling this "protesting loudly":

"The DHS agent reportedly told the diocese that “large groups with cells nationwide have already been discovered ‘casing’ parishes, including here in California.”"

What they are planning to do, is, in fact domestic terrorism. Your condemnation of the right while supporting the terrorism of the left is very revealing. At least people on the right are willing to condemn both. We at least have principles.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by generj on Friday June 24, 2022 @09:21PM (#31871563)
I read through the DOJ notice and it warns of multiple targets including abortion clinics. After the leaked draft, they say arson attacks occurred to pregnancy resource centers. Another area of concern is violence being directed against “First Amendment protected events” e.g. protests. Then finally some vandalism at “religious facilities perceived as being opposed to abortion.”

So unfortunately they seem to say violence is more likely from all sides as the result of this. Even with that, arson attacks are more serious then vandalism. So to date both sides aren’t equally indulging in violence.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by generj on Friday June 24, 2022 @09:06PM (#31871473)
Principles such as refusing to condemn the former President’s coup apparently. Or even watch evidence about it.

I have condemned terrorism on the left, for example eco-terrorism (which seems to have thankfully died off). I didn’t read the DOJ notice, but it is important to note their job is to take the worst case scenario and plan for it. I haven’t seen widespread attacks on parishes and don’t honestly believe they will occur. Some insane portion of people on both sides issue a lot of dumb threats but only rarely are those threats executed on. If they do I will of course condemn them. But I will always place more emphasis on events which have actually happened, not just hypotheticals. For example the recent troubling incident in Idaho where a few dozen men with guns were headed to attack a parade. Multiple studies have shown that 90+% of domestic terrorism is linked to the right wing.

I do not support harassing judges, but I hardly think that rises to any level of insurrection. They weren’t attacking the authority of the government or even of the justice in question. I doubt most of them even intended or expected her to change her mind. Even if you are right and they were attempting to unduly influence her, that wouldn’t be undermining her authority but relying upon it.

It reflects the current reality - justices have become partisan so people believe they are entitled to treat them as any other partisan politicians, who as elected officials are required to be accountable to the people. We should prevent that. Justices not acting as naked partisans would help, as would both parties compromising and writing laws again so fewer things of import are decided by unelected justices. Controversial decisions should allow both parties share some of the blame, because any good society requires controversial decisions to be effective.

By the way, if protesting outside a justices home is insurrection, then the right is guilty again - they protested outside numerous state election officials homes to attempt to pressure them to violate their oaths to keep Trump in power. They also issued numerous death threats, which thankfully didn’t happen. And published home addresses.

We need to step down from this level of rancor and return to democracy in action. The broad public is in agreement on most things and supports reasonable compromises, but our governmental structure has stopped making them viable.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by ModernMech on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:16PM (#31871146)
Have you even been watching the January 6th hearings? Some randos posting fliers on telephone poles is hardly equivalent to POTUS leveraging the DOJ, DOD, state legislatures, the Republican Congress, Republican Senate, and extremist militias to mount a violent coup.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by PathOfEclipse on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:28PM (#31871227)
Am I watching one of the biggest shams of a partisan witch hunt in history? Of course not. Call me when they file charges against the former president or any other current or former government officials for insurrection.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by ModernMech on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:56PM (#31872078)
Okay well maybe you should keep your opinions about insurrection to yourself if they are uninformed. As far as your claim about the committee being partisan though, the hearing yesterday was almost entirely conducted by Republicans, with exclusively Republican witnesses who were appointed by and served under Trump. How can you claim the investigation is a sham if you haven’t seen any evidence? How can you say it is partisan when the committee composition is bipartisan and witnesses have mostly been staunch Republicans drawn from the Trump admin?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by cr__ on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:08AM (#31863378)
I “promise” it’s the opposite so I guess everything cancels out.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by sumedh on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:55AM (#31863088)
Republicans have always been against abortion, yet people vote for them, isnt that how democracy works? Major chunk of the US population dont support abortion and keep voting for politicians who support those beliefs.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by rootusrootus on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:44AM (#31863998)
That is extrapolating too far. Many (perhaps most?) voters are single issue voters. Saying that all Republicans support banning abortion is not accurate; some people are Republicans for the tax breaks, etc.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by nightski on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:04AM (#31863292)
I wonder how many voted republican in spite of abortion because of Roe vs. Wade. Given what happened today this could hurt republican support because it makes abortion a more direct election issue. I wouldn't necessarily just assume all republicans are pro-life.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by mistrial9 on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:08AM (#31863377)
Catholics and Evangelicals ... have always been against abortion

FTFY

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by jquery on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:51AM (#31862973)
The Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing equal protection was supposed to end the patchwork system of having to live in the right state to be recognized as a full citizen.