Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by floydnoel on Friday June 24, 2022 @07:28AM
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I’m a web developer, and I use Safari almost exclusively. It’s not the bane of my existence, I find it pleasant to work in, the dev tools are good. Just wanted to offer a counterpoint, not all developers hate Safari! I find it to be rock solid.
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Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by stjohnswarts on Saturday June 25, 2022 @12:49AM
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A lot of the developers who rail against it are in the advertising industry and those who want to push notifications to you as well as run their garbage javascript in the background.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by cyanydeez on Sunday June 26, 2022 @07:05AM
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Or perhaps people who search caniuse see it's flaring omissions
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by Wazako on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:44AM
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the biggest problem of safari (Apple ecosystem) is the same as IE or even worse, it is integrated into the system, and old devices like ipad do not have updates ...
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by diminish on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:58PM
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Old iDevices who are stuck in a non-upgradeable Apple OS are a threat to humanity.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by LocalH on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:24PM
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lolwut
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by RobertRoberts on Friday June 24, 2022 @09:20AM
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Not all developers hated IE either.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by icedchai on Friday June 24, 2022 @09:58AM
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For much of the early 2000’s, IE was the only decent browser.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by RobertRoberts on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:42AM
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That is a subject statement, many people I knew preferred Netscape and then Phoenix.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by icedchai on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:15PM
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I used Netscape through 4.x, up until 2000 or so. It took years before Phoenix / Firebird / Firefox was considered "stable" (I'd say Firefox 2.0?) There was a solid 4 or 5 years there where IE was your only real choice. Apple was even shipping IE with the Mac!
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by tclancy on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:18AM
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I find it hard to imagine anyone preferred Netscape 4.x to IE 5 and 5.5. I think even IE6 may have existed before Netscape 6, though I definitely made the switch to Phoenix as soon as I discovered it.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by RobertRoberts on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:52PM
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I certainly did. I used a lot of features in Netscape that IE never had, and at university it was _the_ browser used on campus in the late 90s.
IE 5 was a buggy browser lacking a lot of features, but was used often by people not building things online. And forced on people by bizarre site requirements. Though this came worse with IE6.
Microsoft was embroiled in legal issues of their browser at this time, and anyone with a sense of logic (most programmers) could see being locked into one piece of software instantly degrades the value of that software.
Sept 2002 was when Phoenix was released.[0]
IE 6 came out only a year before Phoenix.[1] And you if you were involved with Slashdot back in the day you were tracking browser usage as a daily trend. Phoenix was doing well.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by icedchai on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:19PM
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IE had over 70% marketshare through 2005. In 2002, right after IE 6 was released, it was 85%. Everything else was in the weeds. https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/neil.the.analyst/viz/...
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice
by RobertRoberts on Sunday June 26, 2022 @12:28AM
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The difference from now is that back then there was an army of dedicated tech oriented people that _knew_ MS and IE were a problem that needed to be resisted.