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Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:28AM (#31859065)
Feel free to try it and change your life for the better. You can start with keto diet which is less extreme.
Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by Judgmentality on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:33AM (#31859091)
My friend's dad was just diagnosed with stage 3 renal failure and his doctor is emphatic his diet is the culprit. He'd been an advocate of the keto diet for years.

Biology is complicated and different people will have different results. I'm glad it's working for you but please exercise caution before assuming it will help everyone. You also might want to get your kidneys tested.

https://www.renalandurologynews.com/home/news/nephrology/chr...

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by sph on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:37AM (#31859119)
My grandma lived 95 while smoking a pack a day since her 20s.

N=1 anecdotes are not worth the energy discussing them.

Her son (my father), lived 55 while smoking a pack a day since his 20s.

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Also, what is keto diet? I've seen keto diets made of mostly meat and organic vegetables, and keto diets made of fat bombs and almond flour pizzas.

Keto and low carb these days have stopped meaning anything, often doesn't even mean "healthier".

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by Judgmentality on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:41AM (#31859143)
If someone suggests something is a cure all for everyone, and a doctor says that cure all is killing someone, and there's medical research backing up the doctor - I'm going to trust the doctor.

My N=1 anecdote is a counterexample that has medical research to back it up. Or are you discrediting the person's anecdote about a carnivorous diet being healthy?

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by blfr on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:42AM (#31859152)
The hydration meme (drinking a gallon+ of fluids a day) is one the few fads that are actually sound.

Anyway, the long term effects are not that worrisome since virtually no one will stick to a diet this strict. I wouldn't also recommend strict keto or carnivore because without carbs most people will lack the oomph for a good workout.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by dghughes on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:23AM (#31860700)
High protein diets can trash a person's kidneys.

I've read that each kidney has a seven fold overcapacity for what people need. So if the kidneys are damaged something majorly bad had to have happened.

Kidneys are also involved in blood production along with bones.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:44AM (#31860911)
Carnivore or keto is high fat diet. It's not high protein https://www.thecarnivoredietcoach.com/carnivore-foods.html
Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:59AM (#31859286)
This always gets flamewar territory. My general answers are:

1. In every health thread we should post a picture of our body

2. Find a doctor that agrees with your opinion. Whatever it is you will find one.

3. I/we usually take harder things than the keto/carnivore thing (trust me)

4. Many things that we've been told our lives has been a lie. Maybe the keto/carnivore is also like that.

5. Please gather all your docs and start a thread on twitter with the "top" keto researchers (@nicknorwitz, @KetoCarnivore, @ChrisPalmerMD, @realDaveFeldman some that I follow)

6. High carb is killing the developed world. Please exercise caution.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by Judgmentality on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:01AM (#31859304)
I don't want to continue a flame war, but I want to respond to this:

> 2. Find a doctor that agrees with your opinion. Whatever it is you will find one.

I don't want a doctor to confirm my bias. I want a doctor to give me objective data about my health.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:48AM (#31860949)
> I don't want a doctor to confirm my bias.

You randomly got one that confirmed your bias.

See Virta Health for FDA approved example. It's progressing slowly.

If you are open minded for real check the book "Brain Energy" https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Energy-Revolutionary-Understand...

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by Judgmentality on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:53PM (#31867643)
> You randomly got one that confirmed your bias.

When I listen to someone tell me objective data I'm confirming a bias I never had to begin with? The amount of projecting you're doing is extraordinary. If a doctor told you your kidneys were failing after getting them tested (I already linked the research for you to read, but clearly you're afraid of information that doesn't confirm your bias), would you then go find a doctor that tells you your kidneys are fine? Your fear of information is literally going to kill you. This is the mentality that leads to anti-vaxxing.

> If you are open minded for real check

This is ironic since you're not even open-minded to listening to a doctor, or medical research, or anything that disagrees with what you already think you know.

You are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:38PM (#31868282)
I wish I was as innocent as you but not everyone is so lucky.

In my case, I've improved my health care issues given to me by my parents with keto/carnivore.

Hope you do the same.

Note: you never mentioned anything about yourself, not what you eat or train or anything. Just the cancer and the paper.

The paper you linked had nearly everything wrong starting from the high protein, the acidosis thing, the meat/eggs being associated with diabetes, the doctor recommending vegan.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:58PM (#31868500)
> I never even said the word cancer

You forgot your friend's dad.

The ONLY way to know something is to become an expert yourself. If you do keto for several years, you will see that I'm correct.

But you can't compare several years of experience with just reading a paper.

I'm talking what I do for several years and progress while you link to a paper that is clearly wrong to anyone knowing keto basics.

You are a midwit! Also see the "Ackchyually meme". It happens often with people with no real world/life experience beside reading title of papers thinking they're smart.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by Judgmentality on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:08PM (#31868621)
My friend's dad has stage 3 renal failure, not cancer. I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about and you're just rambling now. Enjoy your self-contained bubble of delusion where nobody can harm you (except yourself, but you'd need to be self-aware to realize that).

Cheers.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:42PM (#31870428)
Who cares about your friend's dead dad, I was at the gym and misread/misremembered.

The paper is still wrong.

Even keto/carnivore can help with delusions/schizophrenia/bipolar: Dr. Chris Palmer - 'The Ketogenic Diet in Neurology and Psychiatry' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUtwr_6sFw4. He is a doctor, try watching the video.

But, being a midwit is genetic. No cure for that. I'm sorry.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by Judgmentality on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:54PM (#31870546)
> Who cares about your friend's dead dad, I was at the gym and misread/misremembered.

Your ability to incorrectly read what I wrote so many times is impressive. My friend's dad isn't dead.

You have demonstrated more than once a complete inability to fact check the most basic things, and yet you pontificate as if you are an expert. Have you ever considered you may have accidentally gotten many of your other assumptions wrong? If your worldview is anything like this conversation, it's built on incorrect assumptions and you being confident about something objectively false. You are demonstrating that you have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader and expect me to take you seriously.

You've already discredited yourself multiple times. I don't respect you enough to read your sources, the same way you can't even correctly read the sentences I write. If you are so sure you are right, why do you care what I think? I never claimed to be struggling with my health, and yet you keep offering advice on how to improve it. You are having an argument with yourself and you don't even recognize it. It's obvious you don't listen, but you need therapy.

I hope you get the help that you need, but something tells me you'd refuse it even if it were available.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by quickthrower2 on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:47AM (#31859195)
Doing a low carb (not sure if I am in keto as I am not measuring) to see if it reduces CFS symptoms. So far it seems to be helping.

Not sure why: if it is the low carb aspect or just eating less.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:57AM (#31861051)
Also check out this book Brain Energy: A Revolutionary Breakthrough in Understanding Mental Health https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Energy-Revolutionary-Understand...
Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by quickthrower2 on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:54PM (#31869930)
Thanks for the recommendation. Does the book also recommended low carb/keto?
Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:45PM (#31870452)
I think CFS is also connected to the mind (don't remember correctly). You can see a presentation by the same guy: Dr. Chris Palmer - 'The Ketogenic Diet in Neurology and Psychiatry' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUtwr_6sFw4
Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by quickthrower2 on Friday June 24, 2022 @07:43PM (#31870929)
It might be, I have read a dozen CFS theories from adrenal fatigue to lime disease to mitochondrial function to microbiome. I might just have too much candida?

I am basically a N=1 experiment to see what works for me in terms of management. I see a psychologist and have started meditation too to have another iron in the fire.

Yeah I’ve done lots of blood tests. Those make me look like a 20yo athlete :-). I am not.

I love it when someone say you should see a doctor! If only … I could see just one. I probably have seen 10. I love it when one doctor shakes their head about what the other one said.

But r/cfs is actually more useful for knowledge (doctors are good for getting tests done, I had blood tests, brain scan, sleep study, lime tests) and I guess as a sanity check.

Re:‘Anti-hunger’ molecule forms after exercise, scientists d... by ddorian43 on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:51AM (#31859231)
Good luck! Don't forget to eat fat! Make sure to join a forum and ask questions so you're not doing things wrong.